[00:00:06] Speaker A: Welcome to from caving in to crushing it, the podcast for those who find themselves immersed in adversity and choose to write their story instead of having others write it for them. I'm Drew Duraney. And I'm your host, Laban. How are you, sir?
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Drew Durani, blessed Moybundicito, as they're saying espanol. Thanks for having me.
[00:00:30] Speaker A: You know, I love with the australian accent and the spanish lingo. I love that. It's awesome. It's awesome. Well, it's great to see you, my friend. Every time I speak with you, I not only feel good when I hang up the phone, it's during it. You always teach me something, so. And I'm sure you'll have a lot to help the audience with today.
You know, it's the world's best courage coach.
I know why you call your that. Is you because I've experienced it. Can you tell me what's gotten you to this? Cause I know you weren't born, woke up in diapers, and said, I'm going to be the world's best courage coach. Something must have got you to get to this point.
[00:01:15] Speaker B: Well, first things first, Drew, I'd say I really enjoyed talking to you as well, and thank you for being such a brand advocate is a way that I will describe our relationship.
You introduced me to amazing people and connect me with things that you don't need to do, and I'm very grateful for that. And anyone that's in Drew's life, hopefully you can come to learn that or you experience it already.
I wanted to. There's a quote, I don't know if I've got it handy, from a lady that I just interviewed called Tanya. Tanya Levy. She deals with masculine women, like high performing masculine women.
I was talking to her about this world's best courage coach, and I justified it by saying, it's a declaration. It's not an ego statement. She's like, why are you even justifying anything? You don't need to justify anything. Where this came from, Drew is a really powerful story for me, and I know it impacts other people. And it was only in September of 2021 that this came about. And I had an experience where I came to learn about a very powerful individual by the name of Steve Hartison.
Now, you more than likely listen to this. Having never heard of Steve, and up until a year and a half ago, he really was an enigma.
He is known as the ultimate coach.
He's in his late sixties now. He lives in Mesa in Arizona, and for the last 30 years, he has been responsible for coaching some of the most interesting and extraordinary people on planet Earth, including people like Iyanla van Zan, who was Oprah Winfrey's coach for a number of years.
Billionaires, CEO's, world class athletes, philosophers, shamans, Muslims, everything, right?
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: This guy has been described as what the modern day equivalent of what people perceive Jesus Christ to be like in a non, totally non blasphemous way, right?
He exudes love, like unconditional loving. And I've experienced this firsthand. I watched this video that I would encourage you to link in the show notes, and it's on YouTube. It's about 2 hours and ten minutes of DNA, alteringly good content.
It so profoundly affected me that I knew that I needed to speak to the Steve Hardison man to see what I experienced whilst watching this video, which is some of the only footage of him speaking about twelve or 13 years ago that exists anywhere on the Internet up until recently.
And to give you an idea, Drew, to work with this guy for 50 hours, coaching, his current prices are 200,000 USD. And you got to fly to his house.
It's all paid up front, no exceptions. They don't record it.
And when you're charging that kind of money for coaching, you want to be good, right?
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Yeah, of course.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: So I'm very resourceful, and I got this guy's phone number, and I rung him, he picked up the phone and I said, steve Hardison? He said, yes, it is. I said, it's Laban Ditchburn from Melbourne, Australia, here, which is where I was living at the time. He goes, laban, so great to hear from you. I've been waiting for this call all my life.
One of the greatest pickups to any phone call I've ever made.
And it wasn't disingenuous, it was very, very sincere. And I said, Steve, I just watched this video with you talking about the power of commitment and like, who do I need to be in order to become, right?
[00:05:26] Speaker A: Right.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: Showing up.
And I was so moved by it. I just wanted to speak to you to see if what you're like in video, you are in real life.
And I knew that I didn't have anything to offer this guy, Drew. I always would go into every single interaction, particularly calling well known, you know, hard to access, famous people, which I have a history of doing and adding value, right. Not wanting to take. And I knew this guy was fabulously successful financially, relationship wise. He'd been married to the same woman for 50 years now. I think I and, you know, thriving practice, like kids, everything, like, everything. And I just said, steve, what do you need help with? He goes, wow. Laven, I want to acknowledge you for asking me that question. You know, he goes, I'm 67. I'm 8% body fat. I walk 10 miles a day. I got everything a man could ever want. But I just want to thank you for asking me that question.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: And I said, no worries. Steve, are you still not doing podcasts and interviews?
Because that was his thing. He's turned down going on the Oprah Winfrey show on multiple occasions.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Okay, right.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: So there's no footage of him. There's no interviews. Right. He just now got my podcast, and I said, steve, you're still not doing interviews? He goes, that's right. I said, oh, no worries. I said, the reason I asked is, I'm a speaker, I'm a coach. I got this amazing podcast series, and I'm. And I'm well on my way to being known as the world's most positively influential speaker.
But actually, someone that I spoke to recently, Steve, said that there's too much ego associated with that statement. Now, Steve Hardison, a devout Mormon man, right, yells down the phone, and he goes, laban, you tell that person to fuck off.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: No kidding.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: He goes, do you know who I am? And I go, who are you, Steve? He goes, I'm the best coach in the world.
And in that moment, I heard this come out of his voice, out of his mouth, and there was zero ego associated with that.
[00:07:36] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: I was like, what is this? And we had a 13 minutes conversation that day that completely changed my life forever. I got off that phone call, and I called a friend of mine who's. His name's Chris Dorris, who's known as the mental toughness coach. He's done a lot of work. PGA golfers, NFL. Like. He's good. Very good. He's been coached by Steve Hardisone.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: And I was financially destitute at the time, living in Australia. We were in lockdown. My wife was in Russia.
She had had to get out of Australia to testify against a person with regards to some of her journey.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:08:09] Speaker B: And needed some money. And I had this conversation with Chris Dorris. I said, chris, I just called Steve Hardison. We had this amazing conversation. He goes, what do you mean? I go, I just had a 30 minutes chat with Steve Hardison. He goes, what do you mean? I said, we were just chatting on the phone.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: Not believe you.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Yeah, right. He goes, do you have any idea the gift of courage you had to bring to the world.
[00:08:32] Speaker A: Ah, okay.
[00:08:34] Speaker B: Right now, in that moment, Drew, the world's best courage coach was created. And along with that declaration, Chris Dorris and I came up over 4 hours with a strategy on how I was going to make some money, right? And it involved me cold calling the CEO's of the biggest companies on planet earth and delivering the following line, which I'll tell you in a second.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: And I started ringing. I rang Eric Yang, who's the CEO of. Soon he was on his calf. I mean, he couldn't really hear me, and his English isn't that great. So that fizzled out. And then I called some people at Cisco and Walmart and didn't get through to anyone. It was getting late in the US. I called this number in Australia for Hodges real estate, which is a company you would have never heard of in the US, but they are the oldest real estate company in Australia.
And the CEO whose cell phone number I had picks up. He says, hi, tony. Hi, tony speaking. And I said, tony Zaka? He said, yes, it is. I said, tony Zaka, it's Laban ditchburn from Melbourne, Australia. Here. He goes, oh, hi, Laban. Do we know each other? I said, tony, we've never spoken before, but today's your lucky day. I said.
He laughs he goes, why is it my lucky day, Laban? I said, because, Tony, I'm the world's best carriage coach, and I teach your people how to take bold, massive and courageous action to facilitate their own miraculous outcomes. And what took place on that phone call, Drew, was 13 minutes, another 30 minutes of DNA, alteringly good conversation, which resulted in him inviting me back the following week to present and pitch for some training and coaching that his organization wanted.
Now, we're still in lockdown at this moment, so it's just me and him on Zoom the following week. And I asked him one question, one open question at the beginning of the conversation, because Steve Harrison says, the power is in the listener. And he spoke for 45 minutes. When I said, what do you want to do with this business? He spoke for 45 minutes. I let him just fly. He gave me all the information I needed. I knew how I could serve these guys.
And he said to me, I want to take this from good to great. And he'd been in the role only a few months, like six months, and the oldest real estate company in Australia. He finished talking. I said, tony, what about becoming the best real estate company in the state of Victoria, which is where Melbourne's in about 5 million people. And he looked up at me, and he started nodding sort of subconsciously. His eyes sort of widened. I said, well, what about being the best real estate company in Australia? 25 million people. Now hes really getting into this. And I said, you do realize, Tony, that in order for you to have the best real estate company in Australia, you need to be the best real estate CEO in Australia.
And 30 seconds later, Drew, I had the CEO of this organization who had only spoken to one week earlier with no pitch deck, no intro, nothing, apart from this outrageous, brazen, effing cold call, right? He's yelling, standing with his arms outstretched, the top of his feet. I'm the best real estate CEO in the world.
Completely changed his stuff forever about how he showed up, how he looked at himself. And I pitched multiple six figures on that call. Training and coaching. You know what he said to me?
He didn't yell. He didn't laugh. He didn't hang up. He didn't tell me to f off. He, with all sincerity, he looked at me. He said, laban. He said, I physically do not have the liquid to invest that amount right now. It was a lot of money, right? That's the amount that I put on my worth, that I knew that I could service these guys effectively.
And he said, but let me see what I can do now. I got off that call, Drew, and I was a new human being. I was a new man. The glass ceiling of possibility of who I thought that I could reach an impact was completely destroyed. And I knew that I could play at the top echelons of society and business, and that is how the world's best courage coach came about, and it has completely transformed my stuff forever.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: Well, you mentioned earlier, Laban, about you were destitute during, you know, before you made these calls. But how did you get the courage to overcome fear? I mean, you must have had fear at some point in your life that didn't earlier in life allow you to be this courageous. So I really need to know how you got to where you are. There's got to be some moment.
[00:13:15] Speaker B: I'll tell you, brother. I'll tell you. 2019. January is when I went out on my own, my very first entrepreneurial journey. I wasn't doing what I'm doing now. I used to work in it recruitment, which I did for 13 years.
[00:13:28] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: Right. When I met my now wife, I decided after an experience I had with a bunch of virtue signaling, left leaning, screaming liberals that had rules for me and not for thee, I didn't want to report into anyone ever again.
[00:13:45] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: And so I went out my own and did recruitment for all of 2019. It was a total unmitigated financial disaster.
And I used that term for effect only because I ended up, I didn't have any interest in recruitment. It wasn't my purpose. And I spent weeks and months researching and learning all the stuff that's. That's become powerful and beneficial to me now. But there was periods there where I nearly went bankrupt four times in 2019. Right? Wow. And it was a very humbling experience. So I was forced to ring the CIO's and then the CEO's of companies in order to try and drum up business. And I had a few experiences where I would have meaningful conversations with these CEO's. Nothing to do with recruitment, but I had life experience that was relevant, that impacted them. And I was like, I'm onto something here. That's the backstory. And so I would have had 2030 phone calls. And once you. Once you have no choice, like, if you don't pick up the phone, you're going to go. You're going to star.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: Right?
[00:14:50] Speaker B: And at the start of 2020, I actually rang and spoke to Brene Brown on the phone. Before I had a podcast, before I had my book, before I had my coaching practice, I didn't have anything. And she picked up the phone and I. And, and I said, brene, I've been instructed by all my mentors that I need to be around people that are further along than me. And I was keen to know if you'd like to share some ideas. And it was New Year's Day. She was about to sit down and have news day dinner with her family, but she said, send me an email with what you had in mind and I'll come back to you. So I did. And she came back and she very kindly said, look, laban, with what I've got going on with church and college and family, I just can't give this the commitment that it deserves. You'll do fantastic. And that probably really shifted my mind in terms of breaking down any fear of rejection. And I've since gone on to make probably 500 outrageous phone calls in the last couple of years.
Maybe that's an exaggeration. At least. At least 400.
[00:15:59] Speaker A: If she had said anything other than that, it could have broken. It could have broken you. Not allowed you to go forward.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: So could have set me back temporarily, certainly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that answer your question?
[00:16:12] Speaker A: It does. And I want to even go further back because you mentioned about life experiences and I. And when I was looking at your LinkedIn page in your about section, just that first sentence you wrote in there where it says, a child badly affected by divorce and dysfunction, Laban sought validation and escapism in all the wrong places.
If you're comfortable, that is something I'd like to get into and understand how you. Your journey and how you got to where you are. Because it started. Seems to be a very difficult life in the beginning.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I more than happy to share. None of this stuff holds any dominion over me at all. And when you're listening to this, listen to it about yourself, right? Listen to it like it's you. Because there's so many crossovers and similarities that will come up. Like mum and dad split up when I was three and a half. And it really, like, it caused a lot of damage. It rippled all through my family. There was a, like, every single relative on both sides of my family had been married and divorced at least two, maybe three times. My mother's on her fifth surname, you know what I mean?
And they used the kids as pawns, you know, they would fight over legal things and custody and all that other crap, right. But I.
I'm an empath in many ways, and I just hid from it. And I used self deprecating humor and validation seeking from a very young age, dishonesty. And that just manifested itself as an adult. And although on the surface of it, Drew, I had, you know, I was a happy go lucky individual. I was deeply unfulfilled.
[00:17:50] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:17:51] Speaker B: And I was going out and alcohol and drugs and gambling and sex and negative self talk all became staples because I was hanging around groups of other people that had gone through their own experiences and it was comfortable and familiar.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Right.
[00:18:04] Speaker B: And I realized at 35, after, you know, grinding along the floor of rock bottom, that I was.
I was destined for much greater things than what I was achieving. I was miserable through.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: And so I asked for help, and I got access to the gambling helpline and a psychologist on there. And that started this journey of healing. And I'm being clean and sober from drink over six years, August 26, 2022, as myself.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: Congratulations. That's phenomenal.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks. And, you know, I didn't need to go through any program. I don't have any issue being around booze. Like, I. And I'm not diminishing anyone that needs to go through twelve step or whatever, but I've reverse engineered that stuff because I knew there was a way of not being tethered to it.
And, like, none of that stuff holds any power over me at all because I share it with gay, abandoned. You know, if you read my book, bet on you, right? It's all in there. It's all in there. Like, I don't care. What people think of me is none of my business. Right, right. Lost 99% of my former circle of friends, many of whom are just drinking buddies, by getting clean and sober and just trying to be a better human. And then when the lockdowns and stuff kicked in, you know, even more people disappeared because I was speaking and questioning the status quo.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: And as you grow and develop and for people that are listening to this, that are on their own journey, like, be prepared to cop flack from people that love. That loved you or love you are family members.
It's driven a wedge between many of members of my family. And what it is, Drew, is that it's forcing them to reflect upon their own shitty, dysfunctional behaviors. Right. And they don't like it. I haven't physically done anything to them. I'm just reminding them of their own insecurities. You know what I mean? That just happened.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:20:08] Speaker B: So. But just to finish what's happened, and I don't want to doom and gloom it, because it's absolutely worthwhile. What's starting to happen now is that friends and family are starting to knock on the door and say, what are you doing? Like, clearly, whatever you're doing is working. Like, can I get some of that?
[00:20:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: And it's. And it's having a really powerful effect on. On my life in that way.
[00:20:33] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you, there are. You mentioned before that I find some similarities in your journey and mine. I mean, being an empath, I can empathize. And there's one thing being an empath and letting people walk all over you, and then there's another thing being an empath and still having some self identity and some boundaries.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%.
You know, I look back at some stand up comedy that I did in 20 1415. I think it was.
The jokes were so cringey, and they were just me beating up on myself.
And it's a rare day on earth where you'll ever catch me talking poorly about myself. Drew, you know, you and I have spent enough time on the phone. You will know that's the case. And I'm not saying I'm perfect at it, you know, but he was talking about, you know, unmitigated financial disaster. Well, I use that for effect because it's true. Right, right. But it ended up being a blessing and as you go through these life experiences and you learn and garner the tools and the resources on how to handle this stuff, even the most depressing, sad things don't affect you in the same way.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: And, you know, in addition to all of that other stuff, through, you know, my wife and I have gone through 16 consecutive miscarriages collectively. You know, my gosh. And. And, you know, while. Whilst I was going broke, you know, whilst I was losing friends, you know, whilst I had to leave the country to protect my medical freedoms and mandates.
But I'm not putting on a facade. This is who I am.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: You could have. With all that the average person can cave in and give up.
To be able to know your true belief system and fight back the status quo or what you believe people think you should be, that's a credit to you. And I've been doing it, too. And, yeah, we're gonna get flack by doing that, but it's invigorating. It's an amazing feeling when you could be your authentic self and let people say it's out of character. Well, say, yeah, well, I used to pretend I was somebody else. This is me. And like you said, I don't care what people think about me either, anymore. And I used to for 50 some odd years, so I give you credit.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: Thanks, bro. Yeah. Well, I think it's good to talk about the challenging stuff, because when I finally figured out my purpose, right, to be known, to become and known as the world's most positively influential speaker. Right, that's my pathway.
By declaring the world's best courage coach, I never anticipated the heat that I was gonna attract. Yeah, but that's. That's a 2% of the 98% greatness. And I'm blessed to receive messages from people all over the world, from reading the book or watching an interview on the podcast or an interaction we've had that outstrips all the negative stuff by millions to one, almost, you know? So don't ever stop, particularly if you know that you're on the right path.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I think you really take home that human beings inevitably think negatively. So regardless of all the positive stuff you do, if one thing happens, at the end of the day, that's negative, unfortunately, the human brain focuses on that negative aspect, so it does take a lot of work to turn it, and we can turn it. The brain is like a recorder. It just listens to what it hears. So the fact that you don't say anything negative, it's all positive. The brain starts to believe it, and you start to believe it, and you can move forward. And I hope people in the audience can learn from you that we can train the brain.
[00:24:50] Speaker B: Well, let me just clarify something real quick, Drew.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: I wouldn't say that everything I say is positive, because I'm not delusional. Bad. Bad things happen.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: Yes, they do.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: There's better ways of reframing, you know. Oh, this always happens to me. You know, I'm working through this challenge. Yes.
And the significance of Jack Canfield taught me this when we were on a. When I interviewed him. Right. Yeah. He talked about having a swear jar at home. But instead of putting money in for profanity, you put five or $10 in for negative self talk.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: Got it.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: And even the most wealthy person will. Won't want to cough up $10 a bloody pop.
And what it does, Drew, is it allows you to become hyper aware of how other people speak, so helps you in your decision making process in terms of who you want in your life. Jim Rohn said, you become like the five people you spend the most time around, like. And I've become ruthless in terms of cutting people out in a heartbeat that do not serve me well, including family. Right. Can't do that labor. That's your dad.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: Motherfucker. Watch me. Right. Because my energy is so important. I don't care.
I set very strong boundaries and guidelines in the way that people should do with me as well.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: Right, right. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'd say, know your worth and stand your ground. And you know your worth. Speaking of your worth, Laban, you had mentioned to me a relatively new program coaching you were. You. You were starting to do.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:28] Speaker A: So mention that. And.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I do. I do one on one coaching, which has been the majority of the coaching I've done, really. And I wanted to create something that was suitable for people that don't have the time and financial access to one on one coaching. Cause when I started out, Drew, my first coach was about $1,000 for four months worth, and she was out of Mauritius.
[00:26:54] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: She's a friend of mine's mother in law. And as you. You know, as your time becomes more and more valuable, I suppose I want to create accessibility. So there's a group coaching program called world's best group coaching. And what's world's best? Well, it's. It's an opportunity for people that want to learn about the declaration of becoming the world's best in their chosen niche. Right. Or niche, depending on where you're from. So we meet for 1 hour every two weeks, and as the group grows, and I'll manage the numbers, if it gets to a point where it's, like, seen too many.
[00:27:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: There'll be an opportunity for people to ask for what their, their why is or what their helpers rather than what help, you know, what's the, what's the number one pain point? And for anyone that hasn't done any, any group coaching before, a lot of the benefit you get in being in that environment is from observing the, the responses to other people's queries, right?
[00:28:01] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:28:02] Speaker B: And it's a great introduction to coaching. It's a pretty low time.
The financial commitment is very, very reasonable. It's $200 a month. Right.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:28:14] Speaker B: And we have an affiliate program as well, which we can talk about on one, on one. But the people that are interested in this send me a message to my email address, which is just
[email protected] and just in the subject line, just put world's best group coaching.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: And we can, and we'll get on a call and sort it out. So that that's the best way to do it for the meantime. And there's some great opportunity. Early doors, as the group is still new. We just ran our first thing last week, and our next session will be next week.
And, you know, at the moment to work with me for years, 80,000 to give you an idea. So.
[00:28:54] Speaker A: All right.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: You know, and that'll, that'll keep going up.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: Wonderful. No, definitely. Well worth it. You mentioned bet on you, your book. How can people get ahold of your book, Laban?
[00:29:05] Speaker B: Well, they can.
They can get it on audible in my voice, if you like my dulcet tones. Right. I recorded it knowing that that was going to be a thing I don't like. No offense to anyone that's done this, but I don't like reading books where they get a voice actor. I like hearing it, even if they think they've got a shitty voice. I'm telling you, you don't.
And it's on Kindle. And there's a paperback that can be ordered on every single Amazon site on planet Earth. Bet on you, Laban Ditchburn.
[00:29:37] Speaker A: I did order the book. It came in the mail, so it is one of my next reads after I get through Napoleon Hills thinking, grow rich. Then I'll read bet on you. And I'm sure you followed some of that stuff.
[00:29:52] Speaker B: It's a tough book to follow, isn't it? But they're both very different books. But look, the book is for anyone that has dealt with addiction is dealing with addiction, or has anyone in their life that they care about that is. Is struggling with addiction. Right. Addiction, really, the patterns of it are the same. Doesn't matter what it is, and it's in storytelling form, so there's no finger waggling. There's no, like, do as I say, not as I do. Right. It's very important that's in alignment. So. And I wanted to make something that was wildly entertaining. That was true.
[00:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:32] Speaker B: And. But also had, like, a wrap up, like, a Laban's random lesson at the end of every chapter. So if it's not the best book you've read in the last twelve months, send me an email and I'll send you a photograph of me bearing my bum down the main street.
[00:30:49] Speaker A: I could talk to you all day, man. Two final questions.
Laban, you're talking to your younger self, and you're giving one piece of advice about life. What you would have done differently had you have known, what would you tell to young Laban?
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Look, I don't know that I would do anything differently because it would then change the trajectory of my life. But if you were forcing me to answer.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: Mm hmm.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: I would say to myself, what age am I talking to my younger self, by the way?
[00:31:30] Speaker A: Let's say you are nine years old, Laban.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: You are going to develop a taste for alcohol. When you are about 15, you're eventually going to give it up. All right? It's going to cause you to do all of the stupid things in your life. I would encourage you to seriously reconsider drinking alcohol in the future.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: Beautiful, beautiful message, and I'll follow that up with you. Speaking to the young Laban entrepreneur, what would you. What advice would you give him? Maybe some things that you've done as an early entrepreneur that. That you would change.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: Oh, man.
You got another half an hour.
I think I.
I think the only thing that I can say that might be of value, really, is, like, follow your alignment. Like, don't try and force anything. Follow the alignment. And when you are operating in alignment, truly operating in alignment, not trying to manipulate an outcome or be desperate or whatever, like, it's effortless. Drew, it's some of the greatest outrageous things I've pulled off in my life are the easiest, and some of the worst things that eventuated were the hardest amount of work.
But everything that happens then becomes a powerful anecdote for credibility when I'm talking to other people. So I don't know that I would diminish any of the shitty experiences.
Maybe now that you get me thinking about it, I'm 42. I act like I'm 24, and. But, you know, I would have loved to have been able to meet Anna years early and to have started the baby making process earlier.
I want a big clan of babies.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: I understand that.
[00:33:56] Speaker B: So, you know, I want a Genghis Khan, that mofo, you know, like, I want 10% of the population to be a descendant of the world's best courage coach.
So. But I'm a monogamous man, so I've got to figure out a way to live longer. And, you know, and I'm. And I'm figuring out some of that stuff as well, you know, with the biohacking that I'm doing. So. Anyway, that'll be the next book.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: I admire you, my friend, and please say hi to Anna for me. And I wish you all the best, and I look forward to continuing our relationship, our friendship. You're a good man, and I'm glad you're in my community because I need to have more people like you around me. So thank you very much for coming on, Laban. I appreciate it.
[00:34:39] Speaker B: Well, thank you for the opportunity. If you're listening to this for the first time and you haven't, get on and review rate and like this podcast that helps drive organic growth and helps people that wouldn't have found this to find it. And for those that want more information on some of the work that I'm doing, you can text the word courage courage to three seven, and that's in the US only. I think maybe Canadians can do it as well. And there's a free copy of the audible version of the book, not through audible, but it's an audible version, so encourage 3333 777 and you can stay abreast. I've got another book in the in the process as we speak, called world's best courage coach. Incidentally, perfect.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: I do recommend you guys reach out to Laban. He's a good man and every, every discussion I have with him adds value. So, Laban, thanks again for coming on, my friend. I will talk soon.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: Appreciate you, Drew.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Appreciate you too, my friend.
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