[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign, the podcast for those who find themselves immersed in adversity and choose to write their story instead of having others write it for them. I'm Drew Duraney and I'm your host.
Today's guest is Mario Spano. Mario is a multi passionate entrepreneur, mental health advocate and AI strategist on a mission to build a better world through heart led innovation. He's the founder of Speak youk Mind, a mental health nonprofit creating positive change through movement and community experiences.
Mario leads Alpine AI Solutions, helping small businesses harness the power of AI with purpose and clarity. He's also working on his first book, a memoir focused on the masculine trauma, healing and realignment. From co creating mental health apps and mindful corporate programs to co hosting his own podcast about AI's effect on humanity, Mario brings heart, vision and action to everything he does, marrying his gifts, skills and what the world needs to create a better world. One that is as grounded as it is visionary.
Enjoy the show. Mario, good to see you.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: Good to see you, brother. Thank you for having me.
[00:01:28] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I'm just going to raise my volume here to make sure I can hear you. So we'll make sure we talk into the microphones. I know this is being recorded, but I don't edit this stuff out. This is real life live stuff. So I am very, very happy to have you here. And it's interesting that I always like to thank the person who introduces us who introduced me to my guest. And this was like, kind of like an indirect one because you reached out to Frank Agan about your, your, your business or, you know, your, your, your men's men's group that you work with. And Frank stating that he didn't think he was the appropriate person for you to reach out to, introduced you to me. And so that's how we ended up meeting. So thank you, Frank Agan, for the, for the introduction. And so I'm happy to have you on Mario. And there are a variety of reasons why you're on. I mean, I always say that first and foremost, my guests have to be good human beings and you check that box. And I always say, secondly, they have to be doing something professionally that is in such need for the community. And you check that box as well. Thirdly though, you have to stand apart from your competitors or others who are in the same field or industry as you. And you certainly stand apart. And so you check that box as well. My audience knows that I always talk about how when we're younger we're told that life is linear, that it's a straight line that if we do A plus B plus C in that order, D is going to happen. And for the most part, life is linear until it's not. Until an external circumstances comes in between some of those letters and kind of derails that straight path. And now we have a circuitous path in our life.
Ultimately, it's a defining moment that becomes that adversity in front of us. And I believe there's three types of men, Mario. There's man number one, who has so many blind spots when that adversity appears, he doesn't even notice it because he thinks he's going through life because he's doing it the way people told him to, and he doesn't change anything.
And then there's man number two, who actually sees that. That adversity and decides that that adversity is a barrier. It's life doing it to him. He's the victim, and there's nothing he can do about it. And he plays the blame game. It's everybody else's fault. He makes no big changes in his life. And on his deathbed, he's got so many regrets.
Ultimately, there's man number three.
He's the man who sees the adversity and is finally sick, says he's. He's really sick and tired of being sick and tired. And that this adversity is not a barrier. It's an opportunity. An opportunity to do something different. Take massive action, become a stronger man on the other side. That's man number three, and that's Mario Spano.
So, Mario, I'd like you for the audience.
What was that defining moment? That was either the whisper in the ear, the tap on your shoulder, or like, I needed the 2x4 upside my head. That really transformed you from the man you used to be to the man we're speaking with right now. And how did that change affect you personally and professionally?
[00:04:41] Speaker B: Well, first of all, thank you so much for all of your kind words and for seeing me the way that you do. Really appreciate that.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: My pleasure.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, this is our. Our second take of this, and it's.
It's hitting a lot deeper right now, and my mind is going to a lot younger in life, which is. Is at the defining moment that happened five years ago that led to my life falling apart. But, you know, there's. There was a defining moment in my childhood where I kind of realized that I wasn't really. I didn't resonate with, like, mo. With a lot of people, you know, maybe Most people.
And I didn't really like my, I didn't really like life, you know, I didn't really like my circumstances with my parents and family. And you know, like, I, I had a great childhood in many ways, but there was also a lot of dissonance and there were, you know, drugs and alcohol in my lineage and you know, divorce, multiple divorces and all that, that led to a lot of trauma.
And that I think was honestly my first defining moment of like, I don't want to be like them. You know, I had an example of like, I love my parents, grandparents, everyone is amazing. And you know, I have good, really good relationship with my mom, for example, but that was a really good example of like, I don't, I don't want to be like this. And so it's, it just feels really good to look back and know that, you know, I wasn't a victim then as a child and I'm not now. You know, like, this isn't, I can do something about this. And it started with moving out of my dad's house when I was 18 and I slept on my mom's couch, you know, because she had a little one bedroom apartment in government subsidized house housing and.
But none of that mattered to me. You know, I, My vision was on the future, on hustling, working hard, working multiple jobs, paying my way through college, saving, investing, learning as much as I could, you know, to get out of that situation. Which actually essentially led me to the second.
What do you call it?
[00:07:00] Speaker A: Defining moment.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: Defining moment. Yeah.
[00:07:03] Speaker A: Like, say, like using that term?
[00:07:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So that led me from essentially 15 to 18 years old or so to, to really work as hard as I possibly could to get as far away from that as I could.
And you know, it was also kind of a trauma response. You, you go through traumatic events and you want to get away from them and you set your, your sights on achieving or, you know, there's two, two typical paths of children with adult drug and alcohol addicted parents that's either being essentially completely like lethargic and unmotivated or being incredibly high achieving. And that latter path is the one that I chose.
However, you know, we can kind of get stuck in that, in, in the mind, in the doing, in the getting to somewhere else. So int.
That we disconnect from our hearts and we disconnect from our, from our soul and from like true deeper alignment instead of this surface level achieving, you know, approach to Life. So from 15 to about 29 until I had my first child, which was A massive defining moment and wakeup call in a incredibly traumatic and brutal way. You know, not the typical experience that many men, you know, have with their first child.
During that time, I was of the mind and of, you know, the ego and achieving and doing and completely lost myself. And it's. I think it's a longer story than what we have time for here. But that essentially led me to do a lot and achieve a lot and follow this, like, I call it the golden path. This, like, societally expected or, you know, like.
What's the word?
Praised path, you know.
[00:09:14] Speaker A: Okay, you mentioned that the. The birth of your first child was in a more unconventional way from other men. What. What do you mean by that? And how does that compound it as a defining moment?
[00:09:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a really good question.
So, you know, I'm still kind of baffled and, like, just confused, honestly, like, from my experience, to hear other people, like, be so happy about having children. Yeah, because Oliver's birth was so traumatic for me, you know, and that traumatic birth was 36 hours of labor induced early because our doctor was going on vacation and wanted to be there for the delivery.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: Got it.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: So obviously, you know, not really well aligned there with, like, Oliver or the mom, you know, so 36 hour labor ended in a C section, you know, with his mother kind of like really having a panic attack, essentially, and being pumped with morphine and, you know, vomiting on the table. And, you know, through all of that, it was. I was handed this gooey, gooey little thing, you know, this like, little creature. And as much as I wanted to be like, wow, this is beautiful. I was like, oh, my God, like, what the. Like, this is.
So that was the start of the biggest struggle that I've incurred in my life and the first time I ever experienced depression and the first time that I kind of realized for the last 15 years I had been living my life for everyone else. And also as like, a response my childhood trauma, like, overachieving and completely lost touch with my heart. And also lived a life that, like, essentially wasn't. I don't want to say it wasn't mine. It was mine. I did it all. And like, you know, I had a great marriage and did a lot, achieved a lot, had a few rental properties, you know, did. Did the thing, did, did. The American dream. But I woke up with this baby in my arms, you know, just a few weeks old, sleep deprived, more depressed than I'd ever been in my life. And I. The first time I'd ever been depressed. So obviously they call that Daddy blues.
[00:11:38] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: And it just led to, like. It led to such deep, dark suffering that somehow, like, shifted my awareness of my life in a way that made me see all of this. Like, I. I had no clue of this at the time. Like, oh, you know, I just been doing X, Y, and Z. And so I just kind of woke up to that fact and realized I really, like, I can't wake up at 70, 80 years old with this hollow feeling of not knowing myself and being so disconnected from myself.
[00:12:15] Speaker A: Yeah. It's interesting how something we describe as being dark and depressing can actually be a silver lining. Glowing and sharing something that can change us into realizing who we can be, you know, so. So I. I call those, like, gifts wrapped in sandpaper. Like, that wrapping paper wasn't pretty, but the gift inside brought out a different Mario for us all.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Absolutely. And that's like, you know, I call it, like, the smacking on. On the concrete event of my life, you know? And you need that to, like, find a new direction.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: Exactly. How's Oliver doing now?
[00:12:57] Speaker B: He's amazing. He just started kindergarten this week.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: I love it. I love it. And how is his mother? Is his mother your wife? How is that relationship going?
[00:13:07] Speaker B: No, that was kind of another part of the. The life falling apart event. You know, I, like, started to discover myself.
[00:13:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:15] Speaker B: And dig deep within myself and started, you know, yoga and meditation and discovering spirit for the first time in my life. God, universe, whatever you want to call it.
[00:13:26] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:13:27] Speaker B: We. We grew apart quicker than you can imagine, and our marriage fell apart quicker than you can imagine. And we were also both, you know, sleep deprived and struggling with, you know, postpartum everything, and. Yeah, everything just fell apart so quickly. And that was part of, like.
That was all part of it. That was all part of the. My life falling apart event, you know, which I could have. It was the most embarrassing thing I. I've experienced as, like, someone who cared so much about what I was doing and achieving. To experience that and essentially feel like a complete failure in front of everyone I had ever known was.
Was horrible. But it was, you know, also what I needed to, like.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: To start this journey of finding myself and realigning with my true self in a complete and whole sense, with mind, body, spirit, and soul.
[00:14:25] Speaker A: I can. I can empathize because I've been through that. And it's interesting because there are times in relationships where one person does a lot of personal development and the other does not. And so when you have one person grow in one way and the other person remain the Same.
Yeah, there's a misalignment and something's got to give.
Right.
How's your relationship now with. With her?
[00:14:51] Speaker B: It's as good as it can be with. With everything that. That happened. And it's. It's getting better all the time, you know, and. And I.
My journey took me outside of Ohio, where Oliver was born, where I grew up, and where she is. So we're doing distance co parenting, which is incredibly difficult. And, you know, there. There's still hurt and. And pain and loss, like, on both sides. We. We were together from 15 to 29, you know, middle school sweethearts. So, yeah, it's difficult, but we both obviously care about him and realize he's the most important thing and do our best to. To put all of our own behind ourselves and focus on him. So I go back, you know, as much as I can for visits, and he's five now, so pretty soon he'll be able to come out and spend summers and holidays and. Yeah, he's. He's the love of my life, and I call him my savior.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: He is your savior, man. He is.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah. He woke me up in a big way.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: So how. How do you feel now that you've Are understanding yourself?
Mind, body, soul?
How has that changed your direction in your.
Your professional life? Like, what were you doing before and during the birth and what are you doing now and how has it changed?
[00:16:16] Speaker B: Yes, I. I remember. That was part of your first question.
Well, I.
Waking up to kind of be more deeply aware of myself and, and more deeply connected is. Was helpful in realizing that from day one of my corporate job, I. I didn't feel fulfilled. I felt it was. Yeah, it just didn't feel great. I mean, I. I was an analyst, so I like numbers and stuff like that, but it. Very quickly I left that job.
[00:16:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: And ever since, I've just been on a journey of, like, figuring out what I want to do. You know, I've. I've tried kind of like, you know, doing. Doing the carpentry route. I come from a long line of carpenters, And I flipped five houses, you know, with my bare over that 10, 12 year period we were together.
So I've tried the carpentry route. I've done some life coaching.
And now my passion is starting businesses and creating.
Solving problems, developing strategies and systems to create the shell of. Of something that does good for the world. And the first example of that is speak your mind, the mental health nonprofit I started. And that came from, like, trying life coaching for men to help guys who who are going through what I've been through.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: Right, right, right.
[00:17:46] Speaker B: And then I realized, like, this is a massive problem and it's bigger than me just trying to make money being the life coach. So essentially opened my arms and my heart to the world and was like, hey, like, men are suffering and I have suffered and I have, like, I have so much in my life and I'm and lucky. And I also did not give a if I lived or died at multiple times of my journey, you know, in the, in the after my life falling apart event. And, you know, suicide rate is 80 male, as we've talked about. And as you know.
So that's kind of like the start of what started my entrepreneurial, like, you know, creating business adventure.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: Right.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Okay. Well, this, you know, it was kind of starting to work. We do outdoor movement groups. We do a lot of virtual groups online now.
And yeah, I'm applying that to multiple other businesses and just having a lot of fun with it.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: Good, good. We need more people like you because like you said, you know, men are 50% of the population. We're 80% of the suicides. And I think a lot has to do with our lack of connection.
When we connect with a human being. We don't really connect vertically. And what I mean by that is when you connect vertically, you can grow roots, long roots, and really build a really strong inner relationship. But most men, I think they get this friendship of, I call it horizontal, where we can have like so many different guy friends, except we don't dig deep in our conversation. It's more surface level, more symptom related as opposed to. Women seem to be able to have those strong ties, those strong bonds. And when they work together, they work towards the core reason why they're feeling down and they address that. We tend to go to the bar and have drinks and think after the hangover wears out, our problems are gone and they're not right. We need to be a little more vertical and grow those roots and really get to know men at a more deep, deeper level, I think. Would you agree?
[00:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's. Luckily I've been blessed to not naturally be that way. I've always loved deep, deep connection. I was at a college party watching the OSU football game and talking to a buddy about something. He's like, you're always going deep, bro.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: I love it.
[00:20:11] Speaker B: You know, everyone's just trying to drink beer and party and I'm like talking about the universe and like.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: So there is something to that, though, a little deeper. Even if we Just talk a little deeper than the surface.
If. If you and I can convince men to just go a little deeper. Because there is something pretty amazing about a deep conversation guy to guy, you know, There really is, because we think alike and whatnot.
How is the organization growing for you? Is it like, if. If. If 10 is the highest level you can possibly be at for this organization?
Where are you at right now? And how. How are you going to get to 10?
[00:20:56] Speaker B: It's a good question.
It's such a journey, man. It's like, you know, you. You have an idea and you.
You go for it, and then you get feedback and then you pivot. And so it started as a mental health awareness Instagram account, you know, trying to raise awareness for men. And then it, you know, a lot of women showed up, and I started doing outdoor groups.
And we've grown.
We grew to, I think, like, a thousand members pretty quickly just from that, because people want to get outside and they want to do stuff. And then I think we're at like, 5000, community of 5000, like, I don't know, six, eight months later.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: And we have, like, 2200 guys in our Facebook group. Speak your mind. A men's group is what it's called. And we're. We're growing quickly. And I have two. Two guys helping me manage that.
I don't know how I would rate it on 10, man. And that. That's the thing. Like, you know, I love. I love the name of your podcast from Caving into Crushing It. And I. I literally asked my partner last night. I was like, it's so hard to know where you're at, you know, in life and with a business. And it. It's. It's like, I don't know if I'm like, I have two VAs, you know, so that's good. They're doing a lot of the work, and I'm following all the direction from all the books that I'm focus on. My top 20% that gets us the most revenue, the most networking, the most movement, and delegating all the. The tasks that I'm not good at or that are, you know, rudimentary, repetitive, trying to automate with AI. So, like, but I'm working half as much as I used to, and I just feel like it's still, you know, that old mindset of achieving. Like, I still feel. I feel kind of lazy right now, but I think I'm crushing it.
But I don't know, you know, because. Yeah, and I'm also not, you know, I'm working on multiple things. I have an AI podcast and kind of like a corporate mental health platform that we're developing and, you know, some other projects. So when you do that many, you don't move as fast and.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: Right.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: It's hard to. It's hard to see where you are. But with Speak youk Mind, I've been guided to really not try and get to 10, you know, because I've always done that. And you can go 10, 10, you know, 10 out of 10 speed in the wrong direction and not listen to your audience and your people and not let it develop how it wants to.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: You know, it's funny, I purposely asked you the question in that way because 10 puts a limit on where you can go, and we don't want that limit.
So. So we can really erase that 10 and you can go as far as you can go. There doesn't have to be an end point because it's a journey.
Right. There's not a destination in this because if you have a goal of, you know, reaching a certain number of men in a certain amount of time, there are so many more men out there who come next, you know, so in a way, I'm glad you are not even addressing that. That ten man.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: Because test.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You passed your test. No limits. No limits. So, you know, I can truly say that the audience has now captured the essence of Mario Spano. They're going to want to get in touch with you. And usually before we record, I get your information on what I know. If I remember, last time you said definitely on LinkedIn and Instagram. Instagram was definitely the handle you wanted them to look at. And then obviously your website. Right.
So, yeah, how would you. How. What's the best way to get in.
[00:24:44] Speaker B: Touch with you personally is just my. My Mario Flows Instagram page, but the website is speakyourmind.men.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: And, you know, it's not just for men right now, but that's kind of what we do more of, just because it's my personal passion, but.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: Right.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah, you can. You can find us on there. Just look us up on Facebook. Speak youk Mind or Speak youk Mind a men's group, if you're a man.
[email protected] is my email. So those. That should be plenty.
[00:25:20] Speaker A: That is plenty. That's perfect. And I noticed as you put your right arm up to your ear, you had a tattoo on your wrist. Did I get the right arm? Yeah.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: This one or this one?
[00:25:30] Speaker A: Oh, well, it was the one that one yeah, that one. Yeah, that one. Yeah. So what is that?
[00:25:36] Speaker B: That is my great grandfather, Mario Spano.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: Let me see his name.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
Name and birth year 1917.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Awesome. And how about on the other wrist?
[00:25:48] Speaker B: It's kind of a collection, but self love is one of them. And then the Zen Buddhist, Enzo.
[00:25:54] Speaker A: Okay, okay.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: You know the, the flow state that we experience when we're intensely focused on creating.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: Beautiful, beautiful. I love, I love the self care piece. I'm learning it, you know, and it's interesting when, when we allow external circumstances to kind of dictate our behavior, we kind of slip and stop taking care of ourselves. And until we make it a habit. And again, it's that, that flow state that helps us be more clear in what we need to do to make it a habit. And I'm still, even, I'm still working on it. There are parts that I, you know, have like with my son and I've started gaining weight because you just, you, you start to mindlessly do things because you're not thinking about yourself, you're caring about others. And there's, it's not selfish to self care.
If anything, it's selfless.
[00:26:45] Speaker B: Dude, it's so important.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it really is. I mean, most men think that they don't, that that is selfish to take care of themselves because they have to take care of others. But if we fall apart, you know, if we're one of that 80% who takes our lives or one of those 80% who starts to question our existence, it's pretty scary.
[00:27:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: That we get to that point of isolation, you know, so we got to catch men before we, they get to that point of isolation, before they start to think about, you know, dying by suicide.
There's so much to life. But we're not going to realize that if we stay in our heads, you know, we got to talk to other men, other, other experts, people and just get ourselves out there and it's, it's a strength to share our story and to ask for help. It's not a weakness, you know?
[00:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's not. Life is not linear like you said. And so therefore it's totally normal to be in that low depressed, isolated state. And that's why a lot of men take their lives because they're, they're embarrassed and they don't know how to get out, you know.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: Stigmas that I think a lot of people are aware of, but also just being able to just sit in, that is so hard for men. Like, you know, the non linear aspect, I, I'M not perfect. I still get stuck in ruts. I just woke up, chugged a glass of water and went on a 15 minute walk this morning for the first time in months because I've like woken up and you know, I'll get to work or whatever, but I just feel like I'm just not, not motivated, you know.
[00:28:28] Speaker A: And like, you know, I love that you said that though, the, the not motivated piece. We always have choices, right. You could have chosen to stay in bed, had a pity party, kept overthinking about the things that depress you, or you could get out of bed, chug some water and go take a walk in nature.
Coming back after, let's say 20 minutes of either one of those decisions, where, where do you feel better? You feel better after that jug of water coming from back to that walk. Right.
So there is something to that breaking, breaking that thought pattern by doing something different. Doing something that's going to get your body to move and clear your head rather than sitting those negative thoughts.
Just something I think men should start to think about and start to do things differently.
[00:29:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I like that. It's very empowering to look at it that way.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:29:20] Speaker B: It's a choice. And that's within your control.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: Well, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's got to be stuff within your control. Too many men leave stuff out of their control and, and see that as their self identity and that's dangerous. I've done that. You know, I don't want to do that.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:29:34] Speaker A: So I have two final questions for you. All right, so I want you to think about your happy place and you're sitting with 7 to 10 year old Mario and you want to give him advice about life. What are you going to tell young 7 to 10 year old Mario?
[00:29:51] Speaker B: It's not good that I just watched Happy Gilmore.
[00:29:55] Speaker A: Oh boy, here we go.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: Happy place.
[00:29:59] Speaker A: There we go.
Geez.
[00:30:06] Speaker B: I would tell him what I tell Oliver, which is, you know, he's still a little young to understand it, but there's no wrong way to live life. You know, there's just doing your best and doing what you feel and think is right.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: I love that. There's no wrong way to live your life.
All right, so switch gears. You have a different hat on now, literally, figuratively, and you're sitting with young entrepreneur, young businessman Mario, and you want to give him advice about business. What are you going to tell him?
[00:30:53] Speaker B: This sounds like such a hippie thing.
[00:30:55] Speaker A: To say, but just right, Whatever comes.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: To your heart, just flow with it. Like, you know, it's so easy to get stuck on what you think or what you're trying to do. And then you don't hear what other people are saying because you're so stuck in your own lane.
And it's. It's essential to hear what others have to say, you know, whether it's customers or fellow employees or co founders or whoever. You know, that's. That's how you should grow. You should listen.
Listen, you know, more than you try and blindly pursue your own thought of what's best.
[00:31:36] Speaker A: Right.
I like that. You know, we have two ears and one mouth for a reason. Right. Listen more than we speak.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: Right.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: And then make sure we listen to people who are experts in what we're chasing.
And I like. That's wonderful advice. Now, it's funny, like, we know that in both of those questions that young Mario probably wouldn't listen to you.
And in a way, okay, that's good because then you and I wouldn't be speaking now if young Mario listened to your advice. But in a way, what we really hope is that the Mario 10 years from now will listen to this Mario's advice. Right. We don't often listen to our own advice and we should do that more often.
So I hope you out there, if you need that type of advice, listen to Mario. Get in touch with him.
Mario, I want to thank you for a variety of things. First coming on, but also coming into my life, for reaching out to Frank Agan not even knowing I exist, and then he pointed you in this direction. So I'm grateful for that. Keep doing what you're doing. You're a wonderful human being and you're doing a lot of wonderful things for people. There is no 10 to aspire to.
This is a journey, man. Keep doing it.
[00:32:50] Speaker B: Thank you so much, man. Appreciate you.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: I appreciate you too. Everybody out there, please take care of yourselves.
Thanks so much for listening. If you enjoyed the episode, please subscribe and give us a review. To help others find it, I'd like you to answer this question.
Are you living the life you want to live or are you living the life others want you to live? I'd like you to think about that for a second.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: Second.
[00:33:16] Speaker A: Because I strongly suggest you live the life you want to live. If you want to learn more about what I stand for and my services and how I'm able to help many men get out of their own way, please go to my website at www.profitcompassion.com.
feel free to also email me at drewrophetcompassion.com I'd love to have a conversation with with you.
Take care of yourself and choose to write your own story instead of letting others write it for you.
