Episode Transcript
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[00:00:09] Speaker B: The podcast for those who find themselves immersed in adversity and choose to write their story instead of having others write it for them. I'm Drew Duraney and I'm your host. Today's guest is Amy Kaufman. Amy Kaufman grew up in West Orange, New Jersey, and met her husband Barry, at Ithaca College. Amy went on to earn an MBA in accounting from Fairleigh Dickinson University and is a CPA with her own business, Priority Accounting Solutions, llc. Amy and Barry now live in Berkeley Heights, New Jersey, where they raised their two daughters, Dana and Sam. Amy has been very active in her town and was the president of the Berkeley Heights Education foundation and a longtime member of the pta.
Although Amy loves numbers, she decided to write a memoir about raising her daughter, Sam, who has adhd.
To keep herself grounded. During the early turbulent years, she practiced yoga, meditation, took spin classes, and continued to work part time.
Today, her daughters are married and live in Jersey City, New Jersey, where Amy and Barry visit them and their husbands and Dana's son, their grandson, Jordan. Often, Amy's struggle to deal with the often challenging effects of her daughter's ADHD became a journey of compassion. Seeking out the proper medical help, researching and learning to navigate the educational systems, programs, and learning the value of unconditional love. Her sincere hope is that her book, no One Else I'd Rather Be Loving a daughter with ADHD for who she is, will help other families struggling to love and care for their children with disabilities.
Enjoy the show.
Amy, so great to see you.
[00:01:59] Speaker A: You too, Drew.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: So I always like to thank the person who introduced me to my guest. And today I have to thank Barry Cohen. So, Barry, thanks so much for introducing me to Amy. We're going to have a great talk today, so appreciate you thinking of connecting the two of us. So, Amy, why are you here? I have reasons why I invite people onto the show.
And, you know, I often talk about how when we're young, our family friends, they, they really teach us, and it's not malicious, that life is linear. If we do all the right things, A plus B plus C, D is going to happen and we believe them. And for the most part, life is linear until it's not. Until that external circumstance that kind of gets in between one of those letters and kind of derails that straight path in life and creates a circuitous route. Now, I'm a firm believer that there's three types of humans out there, and for your case, I'll say three types of women. You have woman number one who has so many blind spots she doesn't see what's in front of her and just lives her life the way she believes she's supposed to. And she's got regrets on her deathbed. Then there's woman number two, who's got a more heightened self awareness than woman number one. Yet the adversity that woman number two sees, she sees it as, I'm the victim, the world is doing this to me. Everybody else is to blame. I have no control. It is what it is. And she lives her life the way it's set up for her. And she's got a lot of regrets on her deathbed because she knew she could have just done something about it. And there's woman number three, and that's who I have on this show. You're woman number three. Woman number three has a more heightened self awareness than woman number two. Yet woman number three is sick and tired of being sick and tired and sees that adversity as a challenge, not a barrier. It's life doing it for me and offering me opportunity to become a stronger woman.
With that, please reach back as far as you need to to find that defining moment in life. Whether it was the tap on the shoulder, the whisper in the ear, or like, I needed my 2 by 4 upside my head that got you to move from woman number one two, then to three and love to hear that. And we'll connect your personal and professional life with that defining moment.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: Okay? So I grew up with a mother who never criticized me. She was loving and caring, and I always thought that's how I want to raise my children. And so I didn't go through some of those things you were talking about.
And as I got older, I learned to rely on my instincts and what I thought was right. And, you know, a lot of it came from my mom.
And, you know, I ended up with a daughter who was out of control, who had ADHD to the nth degree.
And it turned out I was criticized a lot about how I was raising my child. I had a friend who said to me I should yell at her more and she should be afraid of me. But that's not me. That's not my mom.
And it turned out that throughout Sam's life, it was unconditional love that got us to where we are today. And I couldn't have written my book if we weren't so close today. And she's close with my older daughter, who she used to hit and scream and yell at. And, you know, I don't. I recently read a book called the Theory of Let them and it talks about.
And at the end of the book, it's, let me be who I am and ignore what other people have said and criticized. And it's really what I did without having read the book, to raise my daughter.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Sam, I. I love what you said with your mom because many of us, we grow up with hearing, don't do that, don't do this. No, no, no, no, no. Which puts limits on us. And it sounds like your mother did not believe in limitations, so she allowed you, right, to try, right, to do it, scared. And that's the best way to learn.
So had you ever. Did you ever have a chance to tell mom how much of a wonderful impact she had on you with that upbringing? Tell me about how you. How you finally got a chance to tell Mom.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: I did.
My mom came to live with me two years before she died, and I used to wait and hear what she would do with my old, younger daughter. And in the book, Sam was yelling at my mother in the kitchen, I want to make something from scratch. And I wanted this and I wanted that. And my mom said, wait, I have an idea, Sam, why don't we take the cookies and put them in the microwave so they get soft and we have icing and we have sprinkles. And all of a sudden, Sam says to her, oh, Grandma, I'm sorry I yelled at you. I love this idea.
And I just. It followed through in her being a mother and a grandmother, the same way that she raised me is what she was doing. And I just admired her so much. And, you know, before she died, I told her how much I admired her and looked up to her and used her as the guidance for how I raised my children.
And she was so touched by it. She was so touched by it. And before she passed away, the rabbi came, and I said to my mother, send me a sign that you're doing okay after.
So what happened? She passed away. My sister was sleeping over, and I hear I used to have a doorbell that she would ring in case I was up in my bedroom. I would know she was looking for me.
So she passed away. And I hear, ding dong.
And I said to my sister, did you push that button? And she said, no. And I remember having read an angel gets their wings and a bell rings. And I said, oh, my God, mom got her wings.
And the next night, my husband snores a lot. So I went into the room that's above where she used to live in our house. And all of a sudden, I'm sleeping, and my eyes are Closed. And I hear Amy, and I see her in my head, oh, my God. And she says to me, I'm doing really good.
And so my friends used to say to me, amy, you're handling your mom's death so well. I said, well, how could I not? I know she got her wings. I know she told me she's doing well.
And I'm a believer in stuff like that. So I think the way I raised my children had a lot to do with my mother.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: I love that. I love that. But she's still with you, and she's still with Sam. And, you know, with. With Sam, I'm thinking about that quote, unquote friend of yours who criticized you, said you had to yell at her. Are you still friends with that person?
[00:09:56] Speaker A: I am.
Well, it's funny, because her son read my book.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: And I changed names.
[00:10:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:07] Speaker A: And he said to me, I feel like I've been disciplined by that, Michelle. And I said, yep.
I said, that's your mommy. Yep.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: Lesson learned. So let's. So let's get into the book.
Take me through, you know, when you realized that Sam had adhd, how was she diagnosed? How. How did that come about? And then we'll go into the. The book and how you. You tell stories, share stories. But I'm curious how the diagnosis went, because that's very challenging for kids.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: That took 10 years.
But I always knew and thought that she had adhd because she would scream and yell at me, f you, Mom. I hate you, and I hope you die when you get in the car.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Oh, geez.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: And then she would turn around and. And look at me and say, I don't know why I said that. I love you, and no, I don't want you to die.
And she would yell and scream at my older daughter, who was a very studious. She was very into schoolwork, and she'd do her homework, and Sam would run up, stop doing your homework. I want you to come watch TV with me. And she'd knock the books out of her hand. Oh, my goodness. And then she would hide. You know, I once got a phone call from Dana, you have to come home now. And I work very close to home.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: And Sam, when I got home, was hiding under a blanket on the couch.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness.
[00:11:40] Speaker A: And she said, I again, I don't know why I did that. So I would ask the doctors, therapists. We went to therapists from early on, do you think she has add? And without even meeting her, this one woman said, no, I think it's sibling rivalry. But why is she yelling at me? You know, I'm saying, like. And my husband, she would scream and yell at him if he told her, it's time to go to bed.
And I always thought it was ADD. ADD back then, we used to just call it ADD.
And she was 10 years old. Somebody recommended this doctor in Summit, not far from where I live, who wrote a book about adhd.
So I went to her. Sam would go to her alone. Barry. And I would go. That's my husband's name, Barry. And finally, after a week or two, I had to go along because he had to go somewhere for work. She walked in the room and said, of course she has adhd.
And it just. It relieved so much of my angst.
And knowing why she was doing what she was doing, it was validating, you know, to finally. And we. She was on a lot of different medications, right? But she started on Adderall and made her lethargic. Back then, she was too young. And then she put her on Ritalin right before Thanksgiving.
And I didn't tell anyone she was on Ritalin. And normally at Thanksgiving and holiday meals with family, I don't like what I'm eating, and I don't want to sit here at the table. I want to watch tv.
Oh, we went to Thanksgiving.
She sat with everyone, talked to everyone.
Whoops, I thought I turned that off.
Sorry about that.
I should unplug that.
And so I got two phone calls after that Thanksgiving, right. That Sam was so well behaved. She was so terrific. And I didn't tell them at that time. I just wanted to bask in her, you know, wonderful acknowledgments. And going forward, it just. We had to change the medication a lot.
But, you know, she would lose it every now and then. But in general, her demeanor was a lot better.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: Now, when you say a lot better, sometimes medication doesn't do what we expected to do. And you may see flat affect with the child. It changes their personality. Did you find that Sam's personality was still Sam and that the medication just helped alleviate the outbursts?
[00:15:00] Speaker A: It did. And then there were times when she still had outbursts, but in General, I'd say 60, 70, 80%, she would control herself better.
She stopped yelling at me and Dana.
And when Dana and Sam.
Dana went to sleepaway camp without Sam one year, and the following year, even though Sam was younger, two years younger than when Dana started, I sent them to camp.
And it was wonderful because the director of the camp had no clue how to treat Sam.
And Dana would console her. And take care of her.
And finally, I just called up the owner of the camp and said, I need you to put the. The director who likes Sam, who understands Sam, and she put the other woman in charge. And it worked out terrific.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: You know, so she was camp. That's phenomenal.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: Right?
[00:16:11] Speaker B: As. As in those 10 years, how did the issues with. With Sam, how did that affect your relationship with your husband Barry? How are you two able to keep it all together and still help Sam?
[00:16:28] Speaker A: Well, it's interesting because in the beginning of Sam's life, those first 10 years, he would lose it, and he'd yell at her. He'd chase her up to her bedroom.
And it's in the book. I stopped him one day and said, let me ask you a question.
Does this help? Does it stop Sam from yelling at you or yelling at me and yelling? Because back then we didn't know what it was.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: Sure. Absolutely.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: And he doesn't come across well in the beginning of my book.
[00:17:02] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: He worked late hours. He's an attorney, so I would have to deal with dinner without him around. And it was rough, and he comes out a lot better. Once she went to college and, you know, he would say to her, she came home first semester with a 1. 9. But don't worry, mom and dad, you know, University of Rhode island, they don't kick you out until you have three semesters of under 2.0.
So I don't know who told me about this. I made up a contract.
She wouldn't take her medication.
She wouldn't go for extra help because she didn't want to be different.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Right, right, right.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: So in the contract, you'll take your medication, you go for extra help, and you'll get a 2, 3. And she started crying. Oh, my God. But then she said, okay, I did screw up and I will try. Oh, did she try? She ended up with a 2 6. And her friends, some of them also took medication, and they love that she got notes and she got extra help and she could show them her notes and. And all of that. And so when she would call up crying, I. I don't think I could get a 2. 6. That was the next contract. I said, you get to going to get a. A 26. Oh, she and Barry said, sam, I have confidence in you, and I know you can do it. Oh, she got a 2.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: 9, you know, and that must have been felt great for Barry because.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: Learned to. To react or respond differently.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: To Sam in a way that she understood and Sam respected that. And that must have Made him feel wonderful because. Yes. What a different feeling that is.
[00:19:05] Speaker A: Right, Right. And she used to complain because, you know, she didn't like to do her homework right after school.
She needed to come down off her medication. And she taught me something that I never knew that, you know, these medications are a stimulant. And when you come down off of it, you can get cranky and moody.
And she. When she was in college, she wrote an essay about that, how we didn't understand that.
[00:19:38] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: And so when she graduated college, I learned from her essay. She showed me the essay, and I learned to not. You know, I said, sam, why don't you go upstairs, have something to eat, calm yourself down, and then when you're ready, come down. And it worked. And she would come down happy. And, you know, I. I couldn't have written the book if we didn't have such a great relationship now.
You know what I mean? Like, it's, you know, Dana, Sam, myself, we have a group text and every day we send pictures and we write notes to each other, and it's wonderful. And I couldn't have written this book. And I started writing the outline for the book when she graduated College. She was 22 years old.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:20:36] Speaker A: And I found she writes press through a friend of my sisters who used them.
And I ended up. I don't know why you would have thought during COVID when I didn't really go many places, I would have finished it. But it turns out originally they gave me an editor who only did grammar.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: And it was still not exactly right. So a couple of years ago, Sam said to me, are you ever going to finish that book you're writing? She didn't want to read it.
[00:21:12] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:13] Speaker A: Right at the time. And I said, you know what? So I called. They wanted to charge me a lot more money. I convinced them they didn't have to because I already signed a contract and they gave me an editor who did content.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: Oh, good. Okay.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: And she was terrific. You don't need this page. It's not. Doesn't add to the story.
And you know, people tell me what a great writer I am. Well, she helped me.
But you know what? Also when you write from your heart and it's reality, of course it helps.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Of course.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: You know, I would never write a non fiction.
[00:21:54] Speaker B: You know, we'll certainly get deeper into the book. I do want to just ask though, when all this was going on and your husband was working late as an attorney, were you working also at the time?
[00:22:05] Speaker A: You know what? I was, but I had it's also in the book. I hired a nanny.
[00:22:11] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:22:12] Speaker A: And the first one wasn't. Well, I hired. When Dana was younger, I hired someone that just came during the day. And I worked part time as I'm a cpa, and I worked part time.
And I questioned after Sam was born because she was a difficult child, even young, if I should do it. But you know what? I became a cpa, and I loved accounting. So I went back three days a week, and the first nanny favored my older daughter or favored Sam and belittled my older daughter.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: It was the opposite. So it took me two years till finally I said, you've got to go.
And what was interesting is she was a Mormon from.
I guess I forget where what. What state she was from. And when she was leaving, she said to me, I think part of the problem was my Mormon background was so different than your Jewish background. We didn't belong to a temple at the time. And so I got rid of her. And then I always said, I want Mary Poppins.
So the kids were in preschool.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: And I get a call from the principal of the preschool to come in and talk to him.
So I go in, and I'm nervous that Sam acted up. I don't know. You know? Then the girl who called me didn't know why I was going in, and he said to me, there's a girl here from England who had a job lined up. She's living with her cousin and her. The family where the cousin is being a nanny.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:04] Speaker A: And she's looking for a job.
So later that day, she came with her English accent. Our Mary Poppins said to the kids, oh, my God, Are you the two little girls that your mommy was talking about? Will you show me your room and let's go play a game? And I was like, oh, my God.
[00:24:25] Speaker B: There'S your Mary Poppins.
[00:24:26] Speaker A: That's my Mary Poppins. And to this day, she and her cousin are really part of our family. We're still friends.
[00:24:34] Speaker B: I love that. I love that.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: Right. And she just loved them both equal. You know, this for who they were.
[00:24:41] Speaker B: Course.
[00:24:42] Speaker A: And it worked out beautiful. It really did.
[00:24:45] Speaker B: That's awesome. So let's get into your book and get into what you're doing professionally now, because I know you're. You're back working. So the name of the book, and let us know a little about it.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: The name of the book is no One Else. I'd rather be loving a daughter with ADHD for who she is about that. And they. They created Here, Let me oh, well, they created that. The head with the squiggly lines in the middle.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: Yeah. With the brain function.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: Because there were people, even after she was diagnosed that questioned her behavior.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: I mean I had a, a teacher and it's in the book. Sam had a friend who called her one day and this teacher did not like Sam.
And you know, we had a meeting with the principal and this and that and the friend calls and says, Sam, you're not going to believe this. I forget the teacher's name.
She yelled at you today, but you were home sick. Sam, will you stop talking and sit down and be quiet.
[00:25:59] Speaker B: Sam wasn't even in school.
[00:26:00] Speaker A: She was home sick.
[00:26:02] Speaker B: Now that speaks volume, right?
[00:26:05] Speaker A: That. You know, I had a meeting at the end of middle school and the teachers all complained about her speaking out. All the. And I said, do you. One teacher, only one teacher said, Sam's great in my class and my mother in law is a special ed teacher.
Now she's in the book and doesn't look great in the beginning either because she didn't have patience for Sam and you would think she would, but she gave me a list of like 50 things you can do for a child with ADHD in your classroom.
One, one teacher took it, the one who didn't complained about her. Everybody else walked out and just ignored it.
And it was hard, you know, and you know, even in, in high school, you know, that one teacher who yelled at her and we had a meeting with the principal and she brought her advisor, I guess her union advisor.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: And after the meeting, even though she said, I'm not going to meet with this, the guidance counselors, I'm not going to this, I'm not going to that. I'll take care of it.
The superintendent at the time or the assistant superintendent called me in and I didn't know what she was going to say. And she said, I just want you to know you opened our eyes to the problems that we have with students with disabilities in the high school and that even though it wasn't going to help my daughter with the teacher, it would help other children going forward because she was going to look into it.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Right. That's great.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: So I felt good about that.
[00:28:04] Speaker B: You know, all this, this is all in the book.
[00:28:07] Speaker A: It's all in the book. I know I'm giving away.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: You guys are going to have to pick up the book. What are you doing professionally now?
[00:28:15] Speaker A: So I, I'm a QuickBooks Pro Advisor. I decided I didn't like doing tax work and I worked for A tax accountant years ago, I think, back in 2011 or 1213.
And I loved when the clients would give us their QuickBooks file, and then I would go in. I loved accounting debits and credits and things like that. And I would go in and fix everything before he would do the tax return. And I told him, I said, look, I think that's what I want to do. I want to get QuickBooks certification, and I think I want to just do the QuickBooks. And he said, okay, if you do that, I'll send you clients.
And that's how it started. And then I joined a networking group, a women's networking group. And people who were either using QuickBooks and didn't know how to use it would call me and send me friends of theirs who needed help.
But I do plan on retiring at the end of this tax season. Really, I do, because I want to spend time promoting my book, of course. And I want to spend time with my grandchildren.
Sam.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:32] Speaker A: So Sam is pregnant.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: Okay. Sam's pregnant.
[00:29:35] Speaker A: She's married to a wonderful guy, and she's pregnant, and she's due in August. And my older daughter Dana has a 14 month old.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Oh, your grandmother. You're gonna love this.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: I'm a grandma. And so it's. They live in Jersey City. They can walk to each other's apartment.
[00:29:53] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:29:54] Speaker A: But something even better. And when my older daughter Dana went to law school and she graduated when Sam graduated college.
So Sam asked her college roommate, do you want to live with me in the city? And she said yes. But she never told her parents, and her mother said no. Her parents said no. So Dana and Sam went to Washington, D.C. to visit friends that live there. And I get a phone call.
Dana and I want to live together, mom, in this apartment that we found.
They lived together for five years until Sam started dating Chris, who ended up becoming her husband. And she's like, I can't live with you guys. So she moved to Brooklyn, and Sam and Chris moved to Brooklyn. Then Sam moved to Jersey City, and they both live in Jersey City now.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Wow. Sounds like an old Disney. Disney movie.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know what? All these things that happened, I couldn't have written the book if it didn't have a happy ending.
[00:31:02] Speaker B: Where can we find the book?
[00:31:03] Speaker A: So it's on. I don't think it's in the stores yet. I think it's just on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Simon and Schuster, and I can send you a list. And actually, my nanny, my English nanny sent me a picture of the book. And she got it in England, so either Amazon or Barnes and Noble or one of yet. What's that?
[00:31:34] Speaker B: Has Sam read the book yet?
[00:31:36] Speaker A: Well, she told me she didn't want to read it until it was published because she might disagree with some things, but because it's my point of view.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: Right.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: She's, she said she will read it. I think she bought it on her Kindle.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: All right, so she's got it. So that'll be, that'll be.
[00:31:55] Speaker A: And I think, you know, she's actually going away for her birthday in April. Okay, I think she might read it then.
[00:32:02] Speaker B: There we go.
I could talk to you like all day, but I, I do know now that the audience has captured the essence of Amy Kaufman. And folks, if you want to get in touch with Amy just to talk, if you have a special needs child who's got ADHD or you want to talk about the book, email Amy at. And I love this email address. So it's AIM to win to. So it's aim the number two W I n the number two mail dot com.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: Right.
[00:32:33] Speaker B: And so, so Amy, I want to ask you two final questions.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:32:39] Speaker B: I want to give you the opportunity. You're sitting down with 7 to 10 year old Amy and you want to give her advice about life. What are you going to tell her?
[00:32:50] Speaker A: So as I was telling you before, I had a great childhood and the seven or eight year old me had a mother who never criticized me, who loved me for who I was.
And I would tell my 7 or 8 year old person myself to keep going and stick with how mom brought you up and that, remember, it's all about unconditional love.
And you know, that's where I'm at today. When I wrote my book, it's all about unconditional love and ignoring what people criticize.
And so I would tell her to just keep going the way you're going.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: I love that. I love that. So put on a different hat now. Now you're sitting down with young Amy, the young businesswoman entrepreneur, and you want to give her advice about business. What are you going to tell her?
[00:33:55] Speaker A: So I'm glad I kept working, you know, even though I knew it was going to be difficult.
You know, I, I was one of the few women in the tax department at BASF Corp. Which is where I went after I got my master's in accounting to get the CPA license.
And I felt, you know, very validated that I, you know, had a great job.
And, you know, it was interesting being a woman and all other men And I would tell. I just, I'm so happy with what I did and that I spoke up and I started my own business so I could work from home.
And, you know, I think it's time to retire at this, at this point so I can focus on my book and on my grandchildren.
[00:34:57] Speaker B: And so you would tell her to, to, in essence, almost keep going business wise and don't give that up.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: Right.
[00:35:06] Speaker B: Because it adds another element and dimension to your life.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: It did. Right. And I feel like if I did that and I was just a stay at home mom, I mean, I know stay at home moms are important, but I feel like I would have given up what I work so hard to accomplish.
[00:35:24] Speaker B: Very fair. Absolutely.
[00:35:25] Speaker A: And, you know, my, my, my teachers back then were like, very excited for me, and so I'm glad I continue with what I was doing.
[00:35:38] Speaker B: Good for you. Good for you.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:40] Speaker B: I want to thank you for a few things coming on, coming into my life. Thank you, Barry Cohen. And it's funny, you got Barry is your husband, and then different Barry. Barry Cohen is your.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: And they, they both grew up in the same town.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: They. So Barry, what an awesome, awesome name. So anyway, Amy, thank you so much for.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you, Drew. I really appreciate it.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: And everybody out there, please take care of yourselves.
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