Episode Transcript
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[00:00:06] Speaker B: Welcome to From Caving in to Crushing it, the podcast for those who find themselves immersed in adversity and choose to write their story instead of having others write it for them. I'm Drew Duraney and I'm your host. Today's guest is Oliver Herman. Oliver Herman was born in 1981 to a Venezuelan mother and a German father in Hamburg, Germany. They separated early, and Oliver grew up with his Venezuelan mother in Germany, visiting his dad once a year in the U.S.
oliver graduated high school in Hamburg and went to live with his dad in Brazil, where he wanted to become an entrepreneur and bring happiness to people, but was persuaded to attend university.
After graduating from university in business and hospitality administration, Oliver pursued careers in the corporate world with a focus on sales and entrepreneurship, accumulating more wealth year after year. But found that other areas of his life were deteriorating. His marriage, his relationship to his kids, his health, and his sense of purpose. At 40 years old, Oliver decided his life needed to change. So in the summer of 2022, Oliver quit his job, sold and stored all of his of their possessions, and started traveling the world with his wife and three kids for two years, spending 10 months in Bali or Bali with their kids, attending green School. The experiences and knowledge he acquired over the past years have led to a transformation in his physical, mental, and spiritual health.
Today, Oliver feels more centered and fulfilled than ever in his life, and he would like to support any man interested in transforming his life as well. Oliver's purpose and driving force is to be of service, in service of men who want to transform their lives physically, emotionally, and spiritually and don't want to settle for mediocrity. Mediocrity compared to their potential, not compared to others.
Enjoy the show.
Oliver, good to see you.
[00:02:19] Speaker A: Hey, Drew, man. Thanks for having me.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: It's my pleasure. It's my pleasure. It's kind of amazing now with technology that you can be all the way in Germany and we can be just having a chat like this. I think that's kind of cool. Yeah, one of those. One of those silver linings of a weird time in our life. But first, I want to many reasons why you're here, but I want to thank. I always like to thank the person who introduced us and Anya. Anya.
Anya Holzman. Is that. Hey, that's not. I got the last name right. Anya. Thank you for introducing Oliver to me. There's a reason why she did this, and I kind of know it now, and it's a beautiful thing. And you know, I always. I remember mentioning her that I Have criteria on who I meet. First I got to be a good human being. And. And then you fit that. And then it's got. You got to be something special. And so I really wanted you on. Because, you know, and we talked about this before I hit the record button that.
Well, first of all, this shows all about how when we're born, we grow up being told life is linear.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: That if we do A plus B plus C plus D is going to happen. And it's not malicious that we were taught that. Yet it's a myth that life is linear because ultimately something in life, an external circumstance gets in between those letters and kind of challenges us and we have a decision to make.
And some of us, I say there's three types of men. Some of us, like man number one has all these blind spots that he doesn't know he has a decision that he can make and he just goes through life the way it is. But men number two and three have a little higher level of self awareness. And man number two recognizes the adversity he's going through, but thinks he's a victim and that he blames everything else. And this is life the way it is, and I can't change it. And I'm going to live the way I'm living. Yet man number three is the man who comes on who I have on the show, and you're man number three. And man number three as a much higher level of self awareness and more of a growth mindset. And when adversity hits, he looks at it and says, you know what? There's got to be a better way. This isn't a barrier. This is an opportunity for me to do something differently. And you've done that.
So for myself and for the audience, reach back as far as you need to to find that defining moment. Whether it was that tap on the shoulder, the whisper in the ear, what I needed, the 2 by 4 upside the head that got you to say, damn, Oliver, man, there's a better way to live. And you know what? This is an opportunity and I'm going to do something about it.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:05] Speaker B: Share that with us.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: Wow. So, yeah, I think I've been man number one for the majority of my life, actually. Just. Life just happened to me.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: I wasn't designing it and.
And I think there were probably a lot of moments, a lot of taps on my shoulder where I could have changed and I just didn't see it or realize it.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: And.
But to me, I don't think. I don't really think that there was a really defining moment. I was just, there were many small ones and. Which just kept adding up to a feeling of is this it? And, and a feeling of there needs. There has to be more than this. And it's just, it's sort of. I was always, as a young guy, I was always very energetic, full of life, trying to, you know, just appreciating life and that, that thing, you know, when once you get in the system. And I wanted to be an entrepreneur, but I wasn't strong enough to push through. Everybody telling me you need to go to university and from then on it just kind of. You go to your first job and it's just all about the money. And from, from year to year I just, just kind of sucked the energy out of me.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: And, and then, you know, I got married, kids happened, and so your plate gets fuller and fuller and I just felt more fatigued, more lethargic and, and just getting that energy sucked out of me. And I just at, at a stage I just felt like, well, this is how life is. It's just sort of, you have to push through it. And.
But I think one of the moments was when I was just, it was a weekend and I was just too tired to play with my kids and I just wanted to lay on the couch and told them, let's play pizza. I'm the dough and you guys are the toppings. And so just, you know, sit on top of me, put stuff on top of me so that I could just get another one minute or two minute nap out of it.
And that's all I wanted to play.
That's, that's not me, dude. Like, I actually, I enjoy playing with kids, I enjoy sports.
[00:07:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Was, that was certainly one moment where I'm like, dude, what the hell are you doing, man? Like, you don't even have energy left to play with your kids. You know, it's the most, one of the most important things in your life.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: There, there's something wrong with what you're doing. You're, you're on the, it seems like you're on the wrong pursuit. Got it. All that, the pursuit is, you know, that linear line of university, job, career, money, buy a house, car, whatever, nice vacations. And then once you have all that wealth, happiness will come to you.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: But that's, that's. These kind of moments is where I noticed that there's something off. And then I started, I started reading a couple of books on personal growth. I started, I saw the documentary from Tony Robbins. I'm not your guru.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah, this is.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: This is sort of where my journey started. And saying, wow, like, there is. There is actually a chance. There's a chance to, you know, design your life. To create. To think about what you're actually. What's actually important to you. Right. And follow, you know, follow those dreams. And there's more.
I remember one quote that because I was pretty successful in what I was doing, Tony Robbins was saying, success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure.
That sort of stuck with me. It's like, yeah, I mean, I've been successful, but I'm not fulfilled at all. It's just. The relationship is going downhill.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:38] Speaker A: Going downhill. So it just sort of. Yeah. It's an accumulation. And then I started getting in the personal growth stuff and started building from there and started changing my life.
[00:08:48] Speaker B: Wow. So if you can remember, when you started getting into personal development, what aspect of your life did you start to work on first or did you do them simultaneously? You know, whether it's spiritual, mental, physical, you know, because there's so many aspects to our lives.
[00:09:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So I got. I actually, I am. I signed up for a Tony Robbins event, and then we're talking about the.
The pyramid of growth, I think. And it had physical health, mental health, finances, relationships, parenting, productivity, and contribution. And to me, it was like. And then I saw, you know, the way this was supposed to be, and I was like, wow, I'm so all. I'm so behind everything.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: And like, wow. Okay. I need a. I need to optimize for everything. I got totally overwhelmed with it, actually. So I just started to do. Okay, I'm going to do sports. I'm going to do meditate, you know, try meditation, breath work. I need to work on my finances. Get a coach, fight. My purpose, that was.
That was not. Not healthy. I didn't make a lot of progress. And that's where I actually started working with Anya.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: I was like, this is too much, man. How do I do this?
[00:09:58] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: And. And she sort of got me back into.
Which I still live by, is the big three in life, which is health, relationships, and mission. And I remember one. And if you ask me, like, about prioritization, what, you know, what I would do in retrospect.
[00:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah, you.
[00:10:16] Speaker A: I like. I like a metaphor. And the metaphor is if you have a big wooden table, and on that table there's different kind of glasses. And those glasses represent whatever's important to you in life. So your finances, your. Your intimate relationship, your relationship with your kids, your friends, your job, and whatever. So if, whatever, whatever glass spills over, you still have the other glasses. Right. So if you get a divorce, you still have finances, you, you have your relationship, et cetera. If you picture the table that holds all these glasses as your health, if that table breaks, all the glasses fall down.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: I see. That's a good way to.
[00:10:57] Speaker A: So I like the way to look at this. So in terms of how should you start with the transition or start, it's like to focus on the health. To me, it's become true because if you need the energy to hold the space and hold the table for all the stuff in your life, so if you have the energy and vitality to be the husband you want to be, the dad you want to be.
You want to be, then.
Then it's going to be tough. Right. So that's, that's what I would focus on.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: Right. So the, Would it be the physical aspect of health?
[00:11:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I think philosophical question.
[00:11:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: First. But I think if you start moving the other part like, that'll, that'll help your mind as well. Because if you just sit there with like, I'm gonna work on my mental health, but you're, you're just, you know.
[00:11:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: And you don't, you're not gonna have good ideas. You're not going to be able to meditate very well. So I think it's actually the first part just to get your body moving.
It'll help you with the mental health as well.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: Yep. Agreed. 100%.
That's, that's the suggestion I give to. If you're in bad thoughts. Get up.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: That's right, get up.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: Change. Change your, change your, your state by moving to a different location, different environment. An environment that makes you feel good. Go outside, take a deep breath. Very good advice.
So, so let's. So you, you're at that moment, what did you, what did you do when you started to find yourself improving physically and feeling better? What, what, what next happened in life?
[00:12:31] Speaker A: I just started beating myself up.
I'm not, I'm not progressing fast enough. I'm not, it's not going fast enough. I'm not getting why, why is this not happening? Why am I not seeing results? How do I measure this? So it was so like you said. Right. It's not linear at all.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:49] Speaker A: Like, I saw some progress and I did some, you know, some just in, in health terms, but there's lots of setbacks just, just due to. Also lots of beliefs. Limiting beliefs that I had right and wrong strategies around. Yeah. That it has to be Linear that I have to make big leaps and, and not seeing that every little step is actually progress and not being. And just being grateful for the journey. Right. That. That you're on and moving that. So that's.
That was the first thing I did was just like realizing that I'm not very good at growing because I'm just. I'm putting lots of obstacles around myself and beating myself up about it. So that was, that was a learning journey to learn how to. How to do that and to be okay with setbacks. Right. So this time I just, you know, I. I ate a bunch of junk food today. I didn't exercise. I didn't do my morning routine, but it's okay. I'll just do that tomorrow.
That. That took a while. So.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that. And that's a big step because we could easily perpetuate the bad behavior with the mindset of saying, oh, shoot, I screwed up today. I'm. I'm done for the week. Yeah. And. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Go ahead.
[00:14:03] Speaker A: No, that was totally me. I. I let a bad minute become a bad hour, a bad day, and a bad day of that week. Right. In a month. Right. And so I just Trying to get better and letting maybe a bad minute just become a bad hour and not a bad day.
[00:14:19] Speaker B: I love, I love that.
[00:14:20] Speaker A: Work in progress, man.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: It is a work in progress. Absolutely. And that's, that's whether you're doing it for your mental health, for weight loss. It's like every. We can change our life every 15 minutes.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: Right. And so, so tell me some more that of the growth, because I know that recently you went on a trip and things happened, some unexpected events happened.
So. And if you didn't go through what you've gone through in the past, you probably wouldn't be handling what's going through now as well. Would that be a safe thing to say?
[00:14:58] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: All right, so. So do you end up work going in corporate and then getting into an entrepreneurship or how did it work professionally for you once you started to grow?
[00:15:10] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's still. So I've been working on and off. I've been in court. I started my career in corporate, then I worked in startups. I did an entrepreneurial thing and went back to corporate.
[00:15:21] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: Was my last gig.
And then I cut. That's when we decided to take a time off because everything. Yeah, as I said, my relationship and my relationship to my kids as well and my friends was kind of going downhill. And we thought we were looking for A change. So we decided just to stop and take a year off and travel with our kids. Just to get a new perspective on life and sort of reset and think about what we truly want.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: Right. How old are the kids now?
[00:15:53] Speaker A: So right now, now they're 14, 12 and 7.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: And how old were they when you said it was a year ago?
[00:15:59] Speaker A: Years ago. So there were 5, 10, and 12.
[00:16:03] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: So then. Yeah. Where'd you guys end up going? What did you decide to do?
[00:16:09] Speaker A: So we're actually thinking about. We didn't want to primarily travel to sightsee, but more to see if there's another place where we like to live.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:16:20] Speaker A: So. And we, we discussed what kind of environment we wanted. We wanted an English speaking country, progressive country, and so sort of came down to Canada, us, New Zealand and Australia.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: And that's, that's the places that we traveled.
And we did this by working on farms as a family, by doing pet sitting, also renting an rv, Airbnb, so all sort of stuff and sort of trying to check out the places if this is, if these places are environments where we could see ourselves live in.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: So, yeah, we, we kind of, we started with Canada, we went, we traveled California, then went to New Zealand, Australia, and. But we were with, you know, lots of, lots of hopes before that trip, and our relationship actually became better. We, we, we came closer together because of all this. You know, are we doing something unconventional? We're giving up everything. We're going to travel. So this sort of, you know, put us together, but the trip itself, we sort of realized that, you know, wow, being with kids 24, 7. And we had different sort of expectations on how to travel, how spontaneously we wanted to travel. Yeah. So it actually became. Well, the first half year was nice, which is this excitement of traveling, but it became a stress factor after a while.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: It did. Okay.
[00:17:44] Speaker A: And so we were looking at, okay, how could we, what could we do to maybe still try to find ourselves and become more fulfilled and happier? And we thought, okay, maybe if we put the kids in school, okay, we'll have time for that. This is how we ended up in Bali.
[00:18:00] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: We found a beautiful school that sort of prepares students for life instead of for universities. So that was pretty much aligned with our values. And we thought, wow, wouldn't it be amazing to be a year in Bali, the kids are in school and we would just have time for ourselves and fix our relationships.
Long story short, it didn't end up like we. We planned. We ended up separating.
[00:18:24] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: Is totally. Which Was, you know, probably just kind of brought out the truth that even under perfect circumstances, which it was just not. It was just not meant to. We just not meant to continue that path together.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: Understood. Yep. And sometimes that happens.
You gave yourselves every opportunity to work on it. And I like how you said that In. In a beautiful environment, the truth, you know, came out. And that's okay. That's okay.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: So where are you at now with all this?
[00:18:59] Speaker A: So we.
Yeah. So we're back in our hometown, Hamburg. We decided we. The priority would be a bit more stability for the three kids.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:09] Speaker A: After two years of uncertainty and traveling and. And all that, we thought it'd be best for them to come back into an environment that they knew.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:18] Speaker A: Yeah, We're. We're in the transition phase right now back in Hamburg, trying to get settled and figuring out our separation in terms of finances and where the kids are going to live.
[00:19:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: And I'm. I'm back in my old job.
We were living out of savings. I'm getting some. I needed some. Some income while I'm working. Because you were asking about entrepreneurship and corporate.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: Right. Right.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: During that trip, I found some amazing people that I want to work on.
On some projects on.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: And I'm doing that sort of as a side hustle.
[00:19:53] Speaker B: Good for you.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: While I'll. Well, I. Until they monetize, hopefully someday I'll be able to leave the corporate job.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: Sure. Okay. Good for you. At least you got something going. And how are the kids taking it?
[00:20:08] Speaker A: So it's been. That's obviously something that we dreaded very much telling them we didn't know how it's going to be, but it was. We had a sad moment with them, but was very caring. And I think we got the most important message across that it's not their fault and we're just. And that we're still. That we still love them both and that we're going to be friends, that we decided to be friends instead of a fighting couple. And I think we're doing a pretty good job in living that as well.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: It's.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: It's definitely challenging, but I think they sort of. They've taken it very well so far. I mean, you never know what else is coming. And, you know, we're still going to have to move places and things might come up, but so far, things they've been taking pretty well. Yeah.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: All right, good. Glad to hear that. Glad to hear that. Now, professionally, do you want to talk about any of the side hustles that you're going to be. You want to be moving into or do you want to talk about the corporate or do you not want to talk.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Want to talk about the corporate?
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Forget the.
How about the hustles? I mean, is it passion stuff?
[00:21:05] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure, man. Like, I've been in Bali. I went to Men's Circle, okay. For the first time. I was always very skeptic of it. I don't know, like, what is this, this kind of stuff? Are we just gonna sit there and cry?
[00:21:18] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: But I got curious and there's a bunch of guys who, you know, met at the beach and did some physical exercise.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:27] Speaker A: And we like exercise that really pushed to your limits.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:21:31] Speaker A: And after that you did some inner child work and some spiritual work. And it was totally transformational for me.
Share this experience with men that were going to go on our physical limits and then be super vulnerable about our, about our inner world. Yeah, that was, that was amazing. And I just, I, in that moment, I knew I wanted to bring this kind of stuff to Germany. So this is something I'm working on with these guys.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: Wonderful.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: I'm going to start with a retreat here in Germany and then we want to build on that and offer more of this men's work from Bali. And the other thing that I've been working on and what I found in Bali is, you know, there's so many people middle aged that are asking themselves, is this it? I looking for a more meaningful life, a life with more purpose. What is my purpose?
And I sat together with two guys and we're like, hey there, needs. We want to be able to scale, to solve this problem on scale and develop an app that helps people find purpose and also live the life according to that purpose.
[00:22:37] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: And we're working on that with the help of artificial intelligence to make this accessible to everybody so that you don't have to pay, you know, thousands of dollars on a. Coaching on finding your purpose. Right.
Technology that enables you. So these are two things that I'm very passionate about.
[00:22:52] Speaker B: Good for you. Good for you. I'll tell you. Purpose. I believe that's number one. Because that, that is your gps. Like, like if you know and you know, I'm still looking to find my, my purpose. I, I believe, I believe it's to help men become better leaders. Leaders of their life.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: Rather than a, rather than a follower. And just like that, you know, following that linear path that people told you to follow.
How can we become leaders of our life earlier in our lives and create the path ourselves rather than follow someone Else's path, you know? And so if you were to say what your purpose is, what would you say your purpose is?
[00:23:41] Speaker A: So I like the definition of. I don't know if you know Simon Sinek.
[00:23:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Start with why.
[00:23:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, start with why. And I read his book, and he keeps it very simple, and it's really just two sentences. He defines purpose as your unique value to others and the impact that you want to see in the world. So two sentences. And to me, that sentence is to be in service of people who strive to become the best version of themselves in order for fulfillment to become the new normal. So that's, that's my. That's my sentence. I've always cheered for people. I've always. It's. It's something that's also for myself. It just touches me. If people want to. Don't settle for. For who they are, but who actually want to tap into their full potential.
People tap into their full potential is something that's deeply moving to me. And it's just something that I, I support with all my heart. And film. The part is that, that I just see that this is. It's not the norm that people are fulfilled. Right. Ask 10 or 100 people, how fulfilled are you in life? It's, you know, feels like 90 at least, will say, not really. It's, you know, it's okay. But it's not that they're fulfilled. So this is something that I'd like to see that more people. And it doesn't require money, a lot of resources. Right. We know that. So.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: Right.
[00:25:03] Speaker A: That I like to. I like to see.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's true. I mean, what you're doing is you're helping people narrow the gap between where they are and where they want to be. And too many of us wait until we're on our deathbed and have a laundry list of regrets. You know, it's like the bucket list that never got shorter, you know, or.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: You'Re on the wrong pursuit. Right. You're just status. You're forgetting about gratitude and others. And then you wake up. It's like, I have everything I need, but I still don't feel fulfilled.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's true. And it's, it's. It's a challenge. You can't even really defining fulfillment is tough. It's a feeling. Yeah, it's a feeling. And then you got to try different things. So finding your purpose and then going in that direction when you start to feel fulfilled. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm still on that, that journey, I think we always are. I think it's more of a journey than it is a destination.
[00:25:59] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. It always. Yeah, and it's. It's fluent. It's fluent, for sure. Depends on the stage of your life. But I totally agree with you. It's sort of your North Star, right? It's the foundation. Yes. You can build your goals and who you want to become if you know sort of your unique gift and what your value is to other people.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I call it the. Our inner compass.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:20] Speaker B: So, you know, Oliver, the audience certainly has captured the essence of Oliver Herman, they're going to want to get in touch with you. So gang, everybody listening and watching, go to Instagram. And I love this. His handle on Instagram is. Oliver is growing. That's awesome. So follow him on Instagram at. Oliver is growing.
And before we go, I have two questions for you, Oliver. The first question is, you have the opportunity to use your imagination.
You're sitting down with 7 to 10 year old Oliver and you want to give him advice about life. What are you going to tell him?
[00:27:04] Speaker A: God, so many things I need to tell him.
All right, top three.
First, you're good enough.
[00:27:17] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:27:19] Speaker A: Second, failure is your best teacher.
And third, life is happening for you, not to.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: You love that. Love all three of them, man.
All right, so switch hats. You're now sitting down with young Oliver, the young businessman, young entrepreneur, and you want to give him advice about business. What are you going to tell him?
[00:27:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. So I think it's probably. It's been super overused, but it's just so true. And I also want to keep it short. So to me, that would be.
Just do it. It's. It's that simple. Just do it. And there's only. There is no. There is no failure.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Right?
[00:28:01] Speaker A: There's only. You can only win or you can learn from your mistakes. So just go out there, make mistakes, learn from them.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: And then just. Just do it.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: Great advice. No, absolutely. Do it. Scared? Doesn't matter. Just do it. I love it. Well, Oliver, I have to thank you for a few things.
Being on the show, coming into my life, for knowing Anya and giving Anya a reason to. To introduce us.
Keep doing what you're doing. I wish you all the best. I pray for you and your family that everything works out the way it needs to work out.
You're gonna be doing some great things with what you're doing, with helping people find their purpose. So keep it up, man. And I'm looking forward to hearing the time where hey Drew, I left my corporate the side hustle's doing great. I'm looking forward to hearing that, man.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: That'd be awesome, man. Thanks. Thanks for these kind words. And right back at you, my friend. It's been I really appreciate you and what you do.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: Absolutely. Everybody take care of yourselves.
Thanks so much for listening. If you enjoyed the episode, please subscribe and give us a review to help others find it, I'd like you to answer this question. Are you living the life you want to live, or are you living the life others want you to live? I'd like you to think about that for a second, because I strongly, strongly suggest you live the life you want to live. If you want to learn more about what I stand for and my services and how I'm able to help many men get out of their own way, please go to my website at www.profitcompassion.com.
feel free to also email me at drewrophetcompassion.com I'd love to have a conversation with you. Take care of yourself and choose to write your own story instead of letting others write it for.
