Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: The podcast for those who find themselves immersed in adversity and choose to write their story instead of having others write it for them. I'm Drew Duraney and I'm your host.
Today's guest is Mitchell Osmond. Mitchell Osmond is a trusted advisor, executive coach, and the host of the dad Nation podcast, a top ranked show with over 34,000 monthly listeners.
With more than 15 years of senior leadership experience, Mitchell has helped executives, entrepreneurs and high performing professionals bridge the gap between career success and personal fulfillment. But his story didn't start in success. It began in dysfunction, debt, and the brink of divorce.
Through his own radical transformation, losing 60 pounds, restoring his marriage, and paying off over $100,000 worth of debt, he discovered the principles of high performance that he now teaches to men across the world. Mitchell's mission is simple but powerful. To help career driven men reclaim their home, health and happiness so they can lead with purpose and leave a legacy to those they love.
Enjoy the show. Mitchell, good to see you.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: Good to see you as well, brother. Looking forward to having this conversation today.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: So am I. So, folks, poor Mitchell's getting over being sick, so. And I don't edit this. You guys know I don't edit the podcast. So if you hear some coughing or pausing, the poor guys. He's healing. He's healing.
And I do wish him well, even though he's wearing a Yankees hat, since I'm a Met fan. But in any event, we'll put that aside and, and we'll get into it. So I always thank the person who introduced me to my guest and Mitchell, and I think it was Jessica, your va.
She was able to find us and thought you'd be a good fit, and Jessica was right. Is it Jessica Velardi?
[00:02:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: All right. Thank you, Jessica Velardi, for finding us and bringing Mitchell into my life. I appreciate that.
You know, I always talk about how when we're young, we're taught that life is linear. We're told that if we do A plus, B plus C, D is going to happen. And for the most part, life is linear until it's not.
Ultimately, there's an external circumstance that gets in the way of one of those letters and kind of derails our straight path in life to a more circuitous one. And this has happened to me. It's happened to Mitchell.
Now when that. That happens, that's when adversity rears its ugly head and we have a choice.
Do we take adversity on and confront it or do we walk away?
Now, I always say there's three types of men out there now. Man number one, he's got so many blind spots, he doesn't even notice that adversity. He's just going through life based on what people tell him to do. And he's on autopilot and on it. And when he, you know, goes through life, he doesn't change a darn thing. So I don't have man number one on the show. Then you have man number two. Man number two notices the adversity. It's got a heightened self awareness. Yet he says, now, you know, I'm the victim. Life is doing this to me. That adversity is a barrier. I can't change anything. It is what it is. So he again goes through life without changing anything. And on his deathbed, he's got a ton of regrets.
And I don't have man number two on the show either. I have man number three on the show, and that's Mitchell. Man number three sees the adversity, and he says, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. That adversity is not a barrier. That's an opportunity for me to do something different, take massive action and become a stronger man on the other side.
So with that man number three, Mitchell, reach back as far as you need to for that defining moment in life. Whether it was the tap on the shoulder, the whisper in the ear, or like I needed the 2 by 4 upside my head, that transformed you from either man number one or man number two to the man you are now.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a great question, and I think it's a great place to begin because I think everyone has that. A lot of people have that, like you said, the people who have that turning point, you know, it's often memorable for us. And for me, Drew, there were two really key points.
The first one was a fight, and the second one was a funeral.
And so the first one, you know, if you and your listeners can picture with me, me and my wife were sitting on the couch in our living room and it all hit the fan. We got into a huge fight.
And we had been married for about three years at this point.
And, you know, this. This fight, there was something different about it. I. I knew deep down if we didn't change things, that I was about to lose my marriage.
We had been married, like I said, for about three years. It was a struggle, man. We first three years were very, very hard. And I remember days where I would park in the.
In the driveway and just praying for the strength, you know, to Go in the house. Because I had no idea what was waiting on the other side. The fight, the tension, you know, you name it, right? So extreme point of tension in. In this moment. And we had a big fight. I think it started about money, and then it morphed into something else. And, you know, but.
But for me to give you some context leading up to that moment, I'd always been in leadership positions. And very recently, I had been let go of a senior position of leadership in my job.
And so I spiraled into depression. Drew.
I was 60 pounds overweight.
We were 100 grand in debt. I was medicating with alcohol and drugs, just coping with the pain that I was going through at home and a lot of other things that I hadn't dealt with.
And so essentially, I was wrestling because I was in this place of asking myself, why was it that I could see so much success professionally but struggle so much personally? Why was it that I was powerful at work but powerless when I came home?
And I felt like I was two different men trapped in the same body at times?
And.
And I'll never forget that day. My wife said, you go to work and you give everyone the Mitchell Buffet, and you come home and you give me the scraps that are left over, and I'm tired of it, right?
And so we went through a very difficult phase. At the next point of my story was seven days after that.
So I get invited to sing at the funeral of this philanthropist, very wealthy man, very well known in the city.
There's about 2,000 people there. And I'm coming into this funeral still marriage hanging on by a thread, you know, half hungover, you name it.
And I'm strapping on my guitar as I'm getting ready to sing the last song. And the minister asked the people in the room, he said, are you living a life worthy of imitation? And he was referencing this man, of course. Talked to him about all the things that he's done and all the money he's given away and the people he's helped.
Said, if you were to die today, would you be proud of the legacy that you left?
And, Drew, I couldn't.
I could barely choke with the lyrics to the last song because all I could think was, excuse me. All I could think in that moment was, if this were my funeral, nobody would be saying, he inspired me to have a better marriage. He inspired me to get into shape, or he inspired me to get my finances in order. He inspired me to better be a better man. They probably would have said at that point.
He had a tough life and he struggled a lot, and then it was over, you know, and so for me, you know, and, and to back it up even more, the reason why I was wrestling so much is because, you know, part of it was I came from a very dysfunctional upbringing. You know, I had a non existent relationship with my father. He was an alcoholic. You know, drugs, crime, were literal throughout my family growing up, it was very regular occurrence to have the cops at our door or in our house and sitting on our couch.
And yeah, it was a tough, tough childhood. And so I. What happened was I didn't. I didn't heal from all those wounds. And when I got married, it began to bleed out into my marriage and into my relationship.
And I could. I remember I would yell at my wife and I could hear my dad's voice in mine, I could hear his words, but I. It's like I couldn't change it.
And so I, I had this moment at this funeral and where I was faced, you know, with, with the trajectory that I was on, right?
And, and, and I had this vision of what could be in five years or. And then what would be if I didn't change in five years alone, Depressed, overweight, alcoholic, just like my father was. And his father was. And his father was. You know what I mean?
[00:09:17] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:09:18] Speaker A: And so I decided that Day Drew, to take ownership, man of everything.
My marriage, my finances, my health, my fitness, my, My spirituality, you name it. And I, I surrounded myself with, with men who, who could hold me to this new standard that I wanted to set for myself. Men who.
My ceiling was their floor, you know, they lived where. Where I wanted to go.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: I see.
[00:09:45] Speaker A: And these men held me accountable.
And, and so I started making those decisions. And within 18 months, we lost. I lost the 60 pounds, paid off $100,000 worth of debt, completely restored. Our marriage was completely sober and clean of distractions and all those different things. And that was for me, the big turning point, brother.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: When you say 18 months, what was the first step you took when you, when you realized you had to do something? What was the first step you took when you left that funeral and went home?
[00:10:21] Speaker A: I made a list, okay? I made a list of all of the areas I wanted to grow, okay, in my life. And I thought to myself, what the big one was. Marriage, of course, Fitness, finances.
And then in my overall emotional health.
And I said, who in my life has the best marriage that I know of? Who's in the best shape that I know of? Who's. Who is the most money That I know who. Who seems to be the most confident man that I've ever met. Mm. And I'm just gonna reach out to these guys and say, hey, would you be willing to mentor me? Walk alongside that? Could we meet once a month or once every couple months, Grab a beer, grab a coffee, whatever. It's on me.
[00:11:05] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: But, hey, I just, I want to grow in this area. And you were clearly, clearly successful in this area. And so would you. Would you be willing to just talk with me about how you've managed to do this? Right. A powerful concept.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: Wow. It is.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: And those, those men became my mentors. So powerful that I ended up creating a, A, a framework around. It's called the Iron 5. And my clients all have their own Iron 5. It's their men who stand with them. I got to write that down and hold them high through the challenges.
And so, you know, and I'd be happy to walk that, walk that, or walk through that with you a little bit later in the show if you want. But that was the first step. And then they helped me set goals.
They held me high because I wanted to self sabotage constantly because my life was filled with these limiting self beliefs and imposter syndrome. And there are so many things that so many times I wanted to fall down and just stay down, you know?
[00:12:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: And these men held me to that standard that I said I wanted for me and my family, and that's how I was able to do it so quickly. And then after that, again, because I've been in positions of leadership, you know, a lot of people noticed the, you know, the new body or the new energy, the new confidence, and started asking questions, right, man, what did you do?
Excuse me. And so I just started helping buddies of mine, building budgets, helping them connect with their wives, helping them lose the weight, giving, giving them nutrition plans.
Until a friend of mine challenged me, one of my mentors, one of my Iron five.
And he said, man, if you really want to live a life worthy of imitation, if you really want to turn this trash into treasure and make an impact, you need to start a podcast and share this with the world.
And so I launched the dad Nation podcast.
And within six months, it was globally rated top 10% podcast and had listeners all around North America. And then they would reach out and ask.
A lot of these broken and hurting men would say, hey, your story inspired me. Would you. Could you help me? And that's, that's how I started the, the coaching.
Within six months after launching the podcast, I launched my coaching practice and that's what I do, is I help high performing men reclaim their home, their health, and their happiness. You know, Ed Mylett says this often, that you are the most qualified to help the person you used to be.
And for me, at the end of the day, that's all I do, is I take the men who are just a couple steps behind me, and I teach them how to take the next steps, to see success in whatever area that is, whether it's the marriage, the finances, their fitness, you know, you name it.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: So that's wonderful. That's absolutely wonderful.
So what I want to go into, the. The marriage piece. You went home from that funeral. Did you talk to your wife to let her know the epiphany you had? And did she believe you?
[00:14:05] Speaker A: I'd like to say I went home with some grand vision and I said it, and she was like, I believe you. This is beautiful. And it was perfect.
No, okay. No, I. I went home and I said, I. I know I needed to be different.
I haven't shown up the way I need to.
I haven't dealt with my past, and I brought it into our present.
And you've had to pay for mistakes I've made. You've had to, you know, a lot of different things. And.
And so there was certainly an apology and a commitment to change.
And she said, yeah, I. I really hope that you stick to it this time.
You know, I. I'm. I'm really rooting for you. But she didn't believe me because words are words, right?
[00:14:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:52] Speaker B: Actions.
[00:14:52] Speaker A: Yeah. And words.
I gave her all the right words. I mean, I. I've always been in leadership. I understand the script. I understand how to string together the right combination of words to win people over. She saw through that.
So I said, would you give me six months?
Give me six months, and I'm gonna do the work and. And then let's have a conversation.
And then. So that's what, that's what started it for you. It was a commitment. And I said, I. I told her, I'm like, I have to die to the man I used to be to become this new version for you. And that means there are relationships I need to, you know, put on the back burner. That means there are narratives that I need to kill. That means, you know, there are new friendships. I need to form new circles. I need to get involved in professional help I need to hire. And as long as you would you. You're willing to stand with me through that, I'm all in. So, yeah, she. She held on tight and love it. We turned it around, so.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: And we're still. We're still going strong now.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: We're still going strong now.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Good for you, man. Good for you. All right, I want to touch on the Iron 5. I want to touch on how you're able to get the podcast ranking so quickly, so fast. Was it just the. The content, your mission?
Let's start with the. The podcast, and then I want to get. Dive deep into the Iron 5.
You started the podcast before your coaching and you had men on.
What did you do in that podcast uniquely that. That listeners were thirsting for more?
[00:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I think I. I hit on a touch, like a sensitive point for a lot of men.
And there's, you know, certainly a niche here where a lot of podcasts are about general things. Right.
Mine was very specific. If you are a married man who's a father, is wrestling in these different areas, you want to reclaim your home, your health, your happiness. Like, if you want to dial in your fitness, your marriage, your confidence, whatever, and if you've been successful professionally, you know, whatever, that looks like you're career driven.
And so I created a very specific man, the man that I was actually, and I wrote him out.
And every single episode, I speak to that man.
And if you listen to my podcast, you'll often hear me say, hey, friend, listen, or hey, brother. I'm. I'm always referencing one person because I'm actually speaking to that past version of me, of course, or I'm speaking to that person who was. Is me today and what I do.
At least I've got a lot of feedback from men who have said, you give me language for things that I've been struggling with that I didn't have language for.
Right. I didn't know how to articulate that until I heard you say it.
And then it gave me the language to be able to have this conversation with my wife. Because here's the thing.
There's something called normative male alexithymia, which is a bit of a mouthful, but it's a. It's a term that psychologists have coined to explain this phenomenon that happens where men really struggle with communicating how they feel.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:11] Speaker A: It actually, from the Greek, alexithymia means a lack of words to express emotion, I believe.
And so the challenge is, so many men, when they're pressed to talk about how they feel or, you know, wife say that all the time. My wife used to say that to me all the. I feel like I married a robot. Why don't you ever talk to me, you know? Or she would ask me, how was your day? And I would continue to tell her about all the things that I did.
And she would say, you're not telling me how you're doing. You're telling me what you're doing. Right. How are you doing? And I'd be like, I'm fine.
[00:18:48] Speaker B: I'm fine.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: There we go.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: There's our standard answer.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: I'm fine. I'm good. It's fine. Yeah. Or I'm. You know, we got like, three or four core emotions. Right? Yeah. And so. So universally, men struggle across the world with this.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: And. And so when we can have conversations about emotional intelligence, and I can equip men on how to understand their emotions and learn how to talk about them or how to talk about something they're wrestling with or they're anxious about or they're fearful of, and give them the courage to say that in the language, then they can have that conversation with their wife. And guess what? When they do that, she. It's not met with, oh, you're. You're weak. Because we don't talk about these things because we're afraid. Right. That our wives will either think we're weak or they're going to weaponize it.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: Right, Exactly.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: The first time I did this, when I told my wife that I was anxious about something and I was afraid about something.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: It took me the whole afternoon to get up the courage to say it.
[00:19:47] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: And she was like, I've never felt closer to you.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you so much for just communicating how you feel. Because I.
It actually makes me more comfortable because now I know that you have feelings, too. You have fears, too. And now I can trust you with mine even more.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: That's huge, too, because what you thought the reaction was going to be wasn't even close to what ended up being, so. And that's usually what happens.
[00:20:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I thought it would make me come off as, like, less of a man.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:20:19] Speaker A: Or she would think, can I trust him? Because maybe he's not that strong or whatever. And it was the complete opposite. And this is what happens all the time. And so I think, you know, I answered your question a very long, roundabout way. That's good. But the success, and actually just I found out a couple of weeks ago, now it's top point or 5% podcast in the world, which is awesome. So.
But I think it's because of that I'm giving men language. I'm speaking to pain that they haven't been able to articulate And I've given them tools and resources on how.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that's a good point. Because men, to feel confident, they have to know, really. I'm not going to say know the script, but they're going to need to know the content. And we're not taught to speak our emotions, so it's a foreign language to us. So if you can't speak the language, of course you're going to be going back and forth about, how am I going to do this? So you're given the language, and that's like, you give. I. I'm going to assume you're giving them language that women can understand.
[00:21:18] Speaker A: 100.
Yeah. That they can understand. And the women can understand. Because if we don't, what happens is they bottle it up and bottle it up and bottle it up. Yeah. And then what happens? They snap. They either blow up or they shut down the other. And both are not good recipes in your marriage. And both contribute to that narrative that already exists and that men don't know how to talk about their feelings or the toxic masculinity script that says men are just angry and they're violent or whatever. It's like, no, no. We're just. We don't necessarily have the tools and skills that we need. And that's. At the end of the day, that's it. Well, we do, man. So that's it.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah. I'm a firm believer that we, you know, we know, it's.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: It's.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: It's proof proven scientifically that men and women think differently.
And it behooves each gender to understand the thinking language of the opposite gender so we can communicate better. And if we communicate better, the relationship's gonna be stronger.
And, you know, ideally, we'll have strong men together with strong women.
So I love. I love this, the whole dialogue. All right, let's dive into the iron five. I want to hear how you approach that in your coaching, because I think that's what the audience is going to want to hear, because we do need to surround ourselves with strong people who are experts in whatever we want to improve in.
And a lot of we men will go. Go to a mentor who hasn't succeeded in the area we want to succeed in, and we're asking them for advice. So I want to hear about the Iron 5.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no, it's good. I'll walk you through it. And you're right, man. We go to the wrong places. Usually we go to places where we go to guys who we're comfortable with, guys we've known for 20 years, guys, we've, you know, it's the high school buddies and, but spoiler alert, they're not usually the people that are going to help you get to the next level. They're in fact, sometimes the reason why you are where you are. Because, you know, we've heard that old adage, you know, you, the combination of the top five people you spend the most time with. Exactly. And so if your inputs are the same, but you, you want to change the output, but you don't change the inputs, you can't expect anything different. So the challenge in this is like, no, these, these people can't be people that you've been living in close quarters with over the last, you know, 15, 20 years.
They have to be people who are inspiring to you, people who you respect, who you admire, you know, and, and that are courageous and will call you up. Right? So that's, that's, that's the idea.
So the Iron 5, really what it is, and it's, it's all five are P's because I'm, I'm obsessed with alliteration, but it helps me remember. Right.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: I like it. It is easier to remember. So go ahead.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: Number one is the partner. Okay? So this is the guy that walks beside you. This is the guy who's, who's in the battle with you. He knows your wins, he knows your wounds. Right. You don't have to wear a mask with him. You can be fully seen, fully known. Right? So the partner, number two is the protector.
This is the guy who watches your blind spots.
This is the guy who, who sees what you miss.
This is the guy who calls out your patterns, the stuff that might, you know, take you out if left unchecked. It's, it's a guy who's not afraid to call you out when, when you yell that your wife yelled at your wife or whatever, right? Nope. He's not impressed by you, but he's invested in you.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Right, Got it.
[00:24:44] Speaker A: The protector, number three is the provider.
[00:24:47] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: And this is the guy who invests in your growth.
He's the coach, he's the mentor. He's the. You know, people would talk about spiritual fathers or like a father figure in your life or something like that. Someone who's, who's, who's down the road from you and is willing to open doors and share wisdom and really shorten that learning curve. Okay? Right.
Number four is the pusher.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: This is the most complicated relationship of the five, because this will require, this person, will require you to Eat a slice of humble pie.
This is the guy who doesn't let you coast.
Right. He's constantly pulling you out of your comfort zone.
[00:25:31] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:25:32] Speaker A: He's the guy who's reminding you of who you said you wanted to be. Right. And so he demands your best. The pusher demands your best. And you need one of those in your life. Sure. And the fifth one is the pioneer.
And this is the guy who shows you what's possible.
Now this is more of a. You can think about it. If you have business goals, financial goals, you know, whatever that could be, he's the guy that shows you what's possible.
He's living the life that you're aiming for. His example expands your vision of what you think is possible for yourself. Right. So his wins remind you that your, your current ceiling is someone else's starting floor, like I mentioned earlier. So those are the five. The partner, the protector, the provider, the pusher, and the pioneer.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Partner, the protector, the provider, the pusher, and the pioneer. I love it. Absolutely amazing.
I love that. Absolutely amazing.
Let me see. I'm going to say that the, the audience certainly has captured the essence of Mitchell Osmond and they're going to want to get more of you.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: So.
[00:26:39] Speaker B: So, folks, go to dad nationco.com and before we recorded, you had told me you have a gift for the audience that they find on their web, on your website. You want to go into that?
[00:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. And it's great, you know, because we actually talked a little bit about this. But, you know, we, we talked in this conversation about how we struggle to connect on an emotional level.
And I was reading through some statistics, and a lot of my clients were men who, their marriages weren't going well. And I read that 70% in the US today, up to 70% of divorces in the US are initiated by the wife in the relationship.
But now what's interesting is in situations where the wife is. Has a high education or is a high, high earner, that number actually jumps to 90%.
So nine out of every 10 divorces are initiated by women in those specific situations. Now what does it tell us? It tells us that, oh, and the second piece TO this is 80% of the time, the main reason cited for the divorce is not cheating, is not money, is not abuse. It's a lack of emotional connection.
It's feeling like roommates is my wife. My husband doesn't talk to me.
And so I created something called the connection code, which is simply 50 questions to spark the fun and get the fire back. It's legitimately 50 questions that are served to you on a platter, a PDF platter, and you can download it and it covers all the, all the different kinds of life, like, like your dreams, your desires. We get into passion, intimacy, you know, you name it. And so the only rule is I tell guys like, you know what, you go out on a date or, or, you know, you might want to just put the kids down and pour up a glass of wine. But just take two or three questions off this list and ask them to her and I guarantee you you're gonna see her unravel. And. Okay, and, and I get women who have emailed me saying, who was that man who took me out last night? Because the questions he was asking me, you know, they were just blown away.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: So. Okay, so it's questions that you suggest we as men ask our significant other.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: Exactly. They're conversation starters.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Conversation starters. I love that.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah. And they're, they're designed to sort of help you and your wife sort of unravel and get out of that work mode or parent mode.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: Right.
[00:29:02] Speaker A: And go into husband wife mode. Because that's another big problem is we go out on a date night and our date nights end up just, just end up feeling like staff meetings or board meetings.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: Right, right, right.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: Because you end up talking about the agenda, the kids, the drop offs, the budget, you know, all the stuff, sports, you name it.
And so it's no different than any other meeting. And so these questions help turn the tide a little bit and bring you back to that state of. Because your, your, your, your wife or your partner, you know, was a, was a, a woman or a, a bride before she was a mother. True. And what happens is, is women forget that they were once a bride. They forget their femininity, they forget their, that they were a desired woman at one point because they're, they're in the mom, they're wearing the mom hat for so long.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: Interesting.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: So when we go out on date nights, these questions help get you guys back into that place of husband and wife again.
[00:30:00] Speaker B: You're helping men understand their role or part of their role is to remind their wife or significant other what they were before the busy life got in the way.
And so we can be reminders there. Do you have a P for that?
[00:30:20] Speaker A: I don't.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: But you know what, for the reminder.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: So, yeah, if you go to my website, dad, nationcode.com forward/code. Yeah, I'll give you the link as well. You can put it in the show notes. But, but yeah, it's Right on the, on the page, guys.
[00:30:36] Speaker B: Take advantage of that. Download that free PDF. Thanks for that offer. That's a, that's an awesome offer.
Anything else you want to tell the audience before we launch into the final two questions I have for you?
[00:30:47] Speaker A: No, I don't think so. I think we've had a great conversation.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: All right, here, here come the questions. All right, now you're sitting in your happy place and you're sitting down with 7 to 10 year old Mitchell and you're ready to give him some advice about life. What are you going to tell young Mitchell?
[00:31:10] Speaker A: I would say you already have everything you need to become the man you need to be.
You are enough.
I never heard that as a child. I never heard that I was enough. And as I began to study psychology and boys, specifically boys, all young boys, are asking that question, am I enough?
Do I have what it takes to one day do what daddy does?
And I, and, and what happens is a lot of men, a lot of fathers don't answer that question for their boys.
[00:31:52] Speaker B: Good point.
[00:31:53] Speaker A: And they grow up still asking that question.
And I was a grown man, married for three years still asking that question in the workplace. And when I come home to my wife, am I enough? Do I have what it takes? Am I enough? And every time I was met with a challenge, that narrative was fed. You know, the lie that I'm not enough. And that resulted in rage, that resulted in turn into substances to numb the pain. Right. And so that's what I would say to seven year old Mitch.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: Great advice. Let's we know Mitch, he would, young Mitch wouldn't take that advice because we don't listen to our older.
Well, we hope, we hope he would. All right, so let's switch hats here. And now you're sitting down with young entrepreneur, young businessman Mitch, and you want to give him advice about business. What are you going to tell him?
[00:32:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say keep going.
Keep going.
Adversity doesn't mean you're doing something wrong, right? In fact, it usually means you're doing something right. Absolutely right.
You know, Steve Jobs said one time that at the end of the day, business is just a game of attrition, meaning whoever can stay in the game longest wins.
You know? You know, you would be interested in this statistic, but in the podcasting world, this, this is a wild statistic. But we know that I read a little while ago that 90% of podcasts that start don't make it past three episodes.
And then of the podcasts that make it past three episodes, 90% of those don't make it to past 20 episodes.
[00:33:37] Speaker B: No kidding.
[00:33:38] Speaker A: Okay, so if you're. If you are, you know, past 20 episodes, you are like the 1% or the 10% of the 10%, basically.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: There we go. There we go.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: So it's. You know, but that's the thing, right? Like, you have to. In business, and whatever endeavor you're doing, you just have to keep going.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: That's a very good point. Very good advice. Let's hope young Mitch takes that advice. Yeah. Well, you know, Mitch, I want to thank you for coming into my life and at minimum, coming onto the show. We're going to continue to have a relationship, my friend. You are doing wonderful things for men and keep doing what you're doing. You're a wonderful human being, and. And I'm grateful the fact that you turned into man number three because what a shame if you stuck in man number one or man number two.
So. So that's awesome, man. Anyway, thanks. Thanks again for being who you are.
[00:34:32] Speaker A: Thank you for having me on the show today, Drew. It's been an honor and a privilege, my friend, and I'm glad. Glad to be here.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: Thank you, everybody out there. Please take care of yourselves.
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