Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: The podcast for those who find themselves immersed in adversity and choose to write their story instead of having others write it for them. I'm Drew Duraney and I'm your host.
Today's guest is Joey Natal. Joey Natal is the founder of Grow Our Light, a coaching business dedicated to empowering nerds, geeks and IT professionals to break through self doubt, communication breakdowns and feeling disconnected using a data driven coaching approach.
With a BS in Health and Wellness and Psychology, along with various certifications and over 10 years of coaching experience, Joey's mission is to help individuals overcome challenges and build lasting confidence, meaningful connections and strong communication skills to thrive both personally and professionally.
Enjoy the show. Hey Joey, it's good to see you.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Hey man, thanks for having me.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: It's my pleasure. I always love when we start talking before we hit record. We get some catch up and learn some things. So at some point during this I'll, I'll probably, I, I may ask you about, you know, the, your roommates or you know, how you rent out the house because I love those stories. Yeah, but, oh, anyway, I always begin these, these podcasts by thanking the individual who introduced me to my guest and for this one big shout out to Ryan Hall. Thanks for introducing me to Joey. It's been a pleasure so far. And, and I. Now I know why you introduced us because we've had some great conversations.
With that said, why is Joey here? Well, as you guys, my audience knows, I, I really believe that, you know, we're young and it's not malicious teaching. We're taught that life is linear. Our family, our friends, they tell us, hey, if you do the right thing in this order, A plus, B plus, C, D is going to happen, right? And for the most part, life is linear until it's not.
At some point, an external, external circumstance or multiple will come right in front of us. Either we see them or we don't. And if we do see it, we either change or we don't.
And I firmly believe there's three different types of men out there.
You have man number one, that when the adversity presents himself, he's got so many blind spots he doesn't even see it. And if he does, he just thinks that's the way life is supposed to be. He, he's following the path he was told to follow, makes no changes, and in the end, that's it. He's on autopilot.
Man number two, man number two's got a heightened self awareness. He sees the adversity in front of him.
Yet he says he's the victim. That's life doing it to him.
Everybody else is to blame, not him. And this is the way life is and I can't change anything. And he goes on his way on autopilot and at the end on his deathbed, he's got a ton of regrets.
All right, then there's man number three. The men I have in this show. Joey's man number three. Man number three is the man who's got a more heightened self awareness. He sees that adversity and he looks at it. He goes, man, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. He goes, this is not a barrier. This is an opportunity. This is life doing something for me so I can make, take massive action, do something differently and become a stronger man on the other side.
So, Joey, I'd love you to reach back as far as you need to for that defining moment in life. Whether it was the tap on the shoulder, the whisper in the ear, or like I needed five or six years ago, two by four upside my head, that has transformed you from whatever man you were to man number three, the Joey Natal we see right now, and how that affected your, your behavior, what you did differently and that, that really changed you personally and professionally. You want to share that with us?
[00:04:14] Speaker A: Absolutely. The moment that really comes to mind that got me to where I am today, I was a little bit of context.
I was. I graduated college in 2018, took some time off, you know, came back, finished strong, and then moved back in with my mom. It was super great for my dating life.
Not even a little bit?
Yeah, not even a little bit. And then I was. I studied psychology and health and, well, illness. And I couldn't get a job that was worth paying unless I went to graduate school. And I didn't want to do that right out of college. So I was just like, well, I got more experience in it.
So I worked on an IT certification and landed a really good tech job. And I was happy with it at the time. It wasn't very long until I realized, like, I don't really like this place. I didn't know what was going on. What I know now that I didn't know then was that my values weren't aligned, like, at all.
And just, you know, you know how corporate is, you know, double talk, things like that. All, all the things.
And the apocalypse happened at 2020.
And I saw this guy named Tony Robbins. He was doing like free challenge. I went to that free challenge. He does it once a year at this point. And he did his first virtual event, usually his big one that he does in person. And I attended it and it was great. And there was a moment during that event where it was my first self development conference I'd ever been to.
There was a moment when he said, do you ever have that feeling when there's something more in your life you want more?
I was like, yes.
Having had those thoughts, even I remember going on a walk with somebody, being like, when am I going to get on my path? And I would just kind of shove it down because I didn't know what to do with that information. I didn't know the right time was.
And when I heard Tony say that, I was like, oh, yeah, that's familiar. Tony continued saying, if you ignore those feelings, those thoughts, emotions, eventually you wake up in 20, 30 years and think to yourself, what the hell have I done with my life? And I was like, oh, shit.
That was one of my greatest fears. Because I remember when I was a boy and I would talk to my parents, being like, so what happens after school? And like, well, you might go to college and then you work for 30, 40 years. I'm like, I don't want to do that.
I don't want to do that.
And Tony continued to say that when you choose to shove those feelings down, you're committing spiritual suicide and it's death by a thousand cuts. And I just. That hit me like a ton of bricks.
And I knew in that moment I was just like, I'm gonna make a change.
I, before getting into Tech, was interested in being a therapist.
I actually had got accepted into graduate school and turned it down because I got cold feet.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: But I discovered coaching was more of my speed. I was like, what is this? I didn't know what coaching was. It's like, what. What does Tony do coaching? What's that? And I realized it's more my speed and flavor. And so I then pursued it. And it's a whole nother story entirely. But it was that moment that was the big one for me, that, you.
[00:07:42] Speaker B: Know, he is impactful. And I actually attended the. His free virtual one probably in 2021.
And it is impactful. And it's. And it's. It's even more impactful when you start to apply the stuff he teaches you after the fact. You know, you get that rush of adrenaline during.
So you actually applied what you heard. So getting into that, another story, the coaching piece. Yeah. What did you do next to become a coach? Since you initially were like, I don't even know that, that's a thing.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I started having conversations with people.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: I started talking to some people that were coaches. Like, what's it like? What's your journey? What do you recommend? I started doing some research on potential. I learned that you have to. Ideally you don't have to, but it is advised that you sign up for a program and learn how to coach someone. The modality. So I did and that was the first time I'd ever.
The seminar, the virtual seminar was a couple hundred bucks and that was my first time investing in something like that. But this coaching program was like, I don't, I think it was like a couple thousand. That was the first time I'd ever done something like that for myself. And I was like, whoa, that was pretty scary.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: Taking an investment like that. And that was a really big lesson. I mean, definitely talking about massive action for like a six month program. It was a health coaching program. And I glad I did. It was awesome.
Thought it would pair well with my background.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:15] Speaker A: And by the end of it I was just like, I don't know about how to help people lose weight. Like, I can, but it's not my jam.
Right.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: So that's how that started. And then it springboarded into. I discovered other modalities of coaching that I could go into if you want me to.
But it became this amazing journey. Yeah. I, I was avid reader in college. When I took some time off, I started reading because I was just like, I actually, funny story, I just saw a friend of mine from college. We haven't seen each other in a couple years. And we were chatting and she said, you know, when you're in college, you had this feeling sometimes or when you're younger, in your 20s, they don't have to be in college to have this feeling. And you're like, I want to do something, but I don't know what to do.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Like I want to progress my life, but I'm not sure what to do. So I chose reading. So I figured getting this and this organized.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: Was what progressed me. And so I did. And the book I was reading at the time when I just finished the health coaching program was Deepak Chopra. Revitalize the body, Resurrect the soul. And he's a great author. Recommend him.
Talked about like subtle awareness or like if you say the whisper and listening to that, listening to the voice, the guiding compass, if you will.
And I had heard this modality called NLP or neuro linguistic programming.
I just thought I was like, I'm going to Google it. And I did.
And there was a training in person. It was in close to Georgia. Atlanta. Close to Atlanta, Georgia. And it was 10 minutes from where my buddy lives.
[00:10:54] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: And I was just like, hey, man, you free this weekend? He's like, yeah. I was like, cool. And I got the time off was less than two weeks notice. I was like, oh, okay. So I went. And it was awesome. It was only like a couple hundred bucks.
And then in the middle of that training, I heard a voice, I believe I heard a voice that said like, this is one of the modalities that you're going to use to transform people's lives.
I did and I went all in. So I once again, I took massive action, invested heavily into myself. And the majority of those techniques that I use now are what get results by clients a lot. So.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: All right, so. So the modality that you le. You lean into is nlp.
[00:11:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's the big one, that one. And positive psychology.
[00:11:42] Speaker B: So. So let's take those two modalities there and your first ever client where somebody paid you rather than you paying somebody.
[00:11:53] Speaker A: Yes. Yes.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: How did that materialize? And then what was the feeling on the other end? The feeling that Tony Robbins may have when people transform.
Go on that on the other side. I'd love to hear that.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: Yeah. So the first client I actually had was before. I think it was during.
No, yeah, it was during. I just finished the NLP course, the intro course, and I was on my way to the other one and I was charging a certain dollar amount. And I had a call with somebody who I just talked to yesterday. I hadn't spoken to him in five years.
And he said to me, how much are you charging? I was like, well, I feel want to charge this amount. Or like, I think it was like 7:50 at the time. I hadn't had a client yet.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: It was like three months of coaching, 7:50, one session a week. And he said at the time, I was like, do you have a job? I was like, yes. He's like, do you pay our bills? I was like, yes. He's like, double it. I was like, I don't know if I can do that.
He's like, just do it.
So I was like, okay. I did. And a week later somebody was just like, I want to hire you. I was like, are you sure?
Are you sure?
[00:13:05] Speaker B: Do you want to think about that?
[00:13:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And so I was just like.
And I did.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: And do it at the 1400. Or did you. You listened?
[00:13:15] Speaker A: It well, he did three payments, so it was like 16.50. That was my first client.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: All right.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: For three months. And that was.
That was big for me. And he got results. It was awesome. It was my first client, so, you know, I wasn't the best, but it was an easy person to coach. Thank goodness, because I had a lot of free clients, and they're terrible.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I've had. I have had my share.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: You know what I mean? So when they don't have skin in the game, they may not take. You know, they may see you as a friend, and that's a whole nother conversation.
But that was really big for me because it really solidified, like, oh, wow.
People want this.
People. This matters to people, and I'm gonna do everything I can.
It was just a different energy. I noticed I showed up differently. Not that I didn't care before, but, like, they were showing up differently. They did their homework, stuff like that. So that was. That was really good. So I definitely anchored that in.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: Awesome. Awesome. So, all right, so now you got the first client under your belt. The confidence is growing. You go to take step two of the nlp, and you come out even more enhanced.
Where are you now with the business?
[00:14:29] Speaker A: The business is going in a positive direction.
It's been so many. You know, I love what you say. It had so many ups and downs, twists and turns on my journey. You know, I love how you talk about the first, second, and third man.
Because what I've learned in my journey about this is having.
I think what comes to mind is when you're the third level man, there are going to be some moments in your life where you may resort back to the second level man.
And that happened a lot with me.
And when I was in corporate still, I was still kind of in, like, wanted to blame.
It was easy for me to spin out sometimes. Thankfully, I learned the techniques and I had some colleagues to support me with that. But, like, it was a longer process than what I wanted.
And I didn't take as much action as I wanted hindsight. But the other massive action I ended up taking was two years ago, I bought a house.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: All right, there you go.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: And that was pretty big. It was.
Turned it into an Airbnb. And I focused mostly on that the past year and a half or previous, 2025, and that was another source of income. That's great, because I was under the impression that, like, I want to reach financial freedom without. I'm not anywhere close to that, but I want to get there with not just One per se.
So I had multiple endeavors. So to answer your question, it's been a journey of. I didn't, I didn't know how much time and energy this house was going to take. Renovating it, you know, getting it ready and all those kind of things. So now it's kind of the first time in my life I'm like, I know how to grow this.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:17] Speaker A: And I had no idea a couple years ago and I just, I was just would be.
And so it's less. Before was all lack of confidence of like, okay. It just felt like it was kind of random sometimes getting clients mostly from referrals. But now it's like, okay, I know how to do this. And now I'm just really getting clear. That's actually my goal right now. I'm going to redo my five year goals, actually, probably after this conversation, honestly, because it's that time. Because I looked at my goal list, 2020, and I hit them all.
[00:16:51] Speaker B: You did wonderful.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: I did. Had a healthy relationship. I was in.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:55] Speaker A: You know, House. Started a business, started a podcast. I'm starting another one here soon.
And travel. Took a road trip across the country. So just some things I never thought I'd do and I did them all in five years. Thought it would take me 10 years.
[00:17:09] Speaker B: You know, I love that. I love that.
[00:17:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Shortening your bucket list. But a lot of people die on their deathbed and they haven't checked off anything on their, their bucket list. So you got, you tackled a few things. Good for you.
[00:17:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And so those are some big ones. I could keep going in the direction, but I. Yeah, no, it's good.
[00:17:30] Speaker B: I, I love this. I love this because you were. I love that you have had a five year goal and you looked at it and, and accomplished it. So what kind of goals do you think you're going to put together for 2030?
[00:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah, that's gonna be something.
And I'm sure you, your goals are going to be a little more of a stretch now than they were in 2020 because now you've got confidence, you know how to do it so you can probably. You're going to be able to scale it a lot more effortless than, than if it was five years ago.
Yeah, learned that's true.
[00:18:11] Speaker A: I think one of the goals that comes to mind is just getting more confident and, you know, oiling the wheel, if you will, of client acquisition, but also like just doing more speaking engagements in person. Stages scare me and I know that's where the growth is head that direction That'll be growth.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah. You get in front of. Do that, do that. I. I know you're going to be able to do it. It's just a matter of, you know, taking that on and, and now, now, now the audience knows we need to get Joey on stage, paid on stage, in person. Okay. Everybody all have to help him to build his confidence.
So. Yeah, so what. What other things do you have up your sleeve that you may want to share with us? That's. That's coming up.
[00:18:59] Speaker A: Future projects for me, you say?
Yeah. So I am starting a podcast with my. One of my mentors.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Okay, great.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: Soon we just finalized some details. We're having another call here probably next week of the following week to just start scheduling the batch episodes and start having some guests on it. So that's a good direction. I used to run a podcast before with my previous business coach, and it was a lot of fun. I miss doing it.
And so, yeah, so I definitely want to do that.
And I like podcasting a lot because it feels more like improv, which is more my style.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: You know what I mean?
Authentic connections. Absolutely.
Stepping with my coach, I'm stepping into doing corporate workshops as well, which again, that scares the crap out of me as well.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: Yeah, well done. I'll tell you, man, you just talked about two goals right there for 2000.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah, those are the big ones.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:19:57] Speaker A: I love it.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: All right, so let's get into those two modalities, the positive psychology and neuro linguistic programming.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Sure, sure.
[00:20:04] Speaker B: Can you in lay person's terms for the audience who doesn't know, let's start with NLP and then transition to the positive psychology and how you use them together. But start with NLP on its basic fundamentals. What's it at its core?
[00:20:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I like how to explain it is I use the expression somebody smart said this. I'm not sure who. Watch your thoughts, they turn into words. Watch your words, they turn into your habits. Watch your habits, they turn into your character. Watch your character, they turn into your destiny.
And then I ask what comes before thoughts? Take a guess. There's a couple right answers.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Before thoughts.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: There's a couple right answers.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: That's. That's a good question. Because I was. I think I thought thoughts are before emotions.
[00:20:54] Speaker A: Well, that's. That's right. It's. Well, depending on what school of thought.
[00:20:57] Speaker B: You talk about, trigger emotions.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: But so what's turn into emotions and emotions?
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Well, subconscious.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, that's it.
Essentially subconscious, pre thought, whatever. Thoughts, feelings, emotions, subconscious. It's the thoughts turn into emotions. Emotions turn into thoughts. So it's kind of the dog catching its own tail. But for this conversation it's like you're unconscious or subconscious thoughts essentially. So how I describe it to especially some of my nerdy folks, I use language to reprogram using computer language, your wiring or your programming to then support the again domino of thoughts, words and actions and thus your goals. Or I just say I'm a wizard.
[00:21:45] Speaker B: With the smoke and mirrors and the pointy hat.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:21:51] Speaker B: With, with nlp. Would, would. Is, is part of it that the words we use will affect how the brain operates? Is that part of it?
[00:22:01] Speaker A: Yes. And that's where the positive psychology piece goes hand in hand a lot of ways. And positive psychology isn't about just like, oh, just it's not toxic positivity, which is like if your house burned down, like well at least you're alive. It's not that, like that's not helpful that. Right.
[00:22:18] Speaker B: No living in the elements. But thank you.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And so your words have meaning. Words of the house of being. And so that's why they, you know, furthering the nerd example, that's why they call it spelling because words are spells and the sticks and stones may break my bones, words may never hurt me was one of the biggest lies we were ever taught as children.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: Definitely, absolutely.
[00:22:41] Speaker A: Because they last longer and they have more scars that are not seen and are felt.
So language is important. Using it to rewire the brain, but also just be aware of how you talk to others, how you talk to yourself.
Right.
And that goes to that old adage of was it Henry Ford said, if you think you can, it's true. If you think you can't, it's also true. So that's, you know, a bit of mindset but like how powerful that statement is. When you know the science, you're like, you will never say negative things again.
In some ways, yeah.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: No, it's true. And that's, that's why it's so important. Like when we're at a young age, 7 to 10, at a very time in our lives where we're, we are molded very easily, you know, we're very susceptible and when we're told some. I was just talking to somebody who he said it was think it was his second grade teacher told him he was stupid.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: Had him sit in like a dunce chair and for a good 26 years of his life he believed it.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:23:54] Speaker B: So he would then do stuff that the self fulfilling prophecy, he would then do things that would cause him to fail because he believed he was stupid. So there's so much importance in surrounding or making sure that we're surrounded with good people when we're young and we may not know better. So it behooves our parents or everybody to surround ourselves with positivity because like self confidence doesn't just happen. Things have to happen in order for you to feel a certain way about yourself.
So, so, you know, so with that, have you encountered a lot of clients who, who beat themselves up and do you have a methodology to help them get out of that?
[00:24:38] Speaker A: Absolutely, yeah.
I'll share a tool with the audience here about that. Just to add on to what you said about that kid with the dunce hat example.
So one of the other things I do is hypnosis, which NLP is like hypnotic language essentially. And that's a whole nother conversation. But all hypnosis is self hypnosis. It's essentially the same thing as meditation for those who don't know.
And when you're from the age of like 0 to 10, they say that's like the best time to learn a language. It's also the best time to learn your programming because all your, at least this modality and many other modalities of psychology, therapy and coaching all kind of align that like that's where most of your trauma happens, essentially.
So a great example of this is if I were to say, don't think of a purple elephant.
I mean, you obviously think of a purple elephant, right?
[00:25:35] Speaker B: I just thought of a purple elephant.
[00:25:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And so like it's. The brain doesn't understand negatives.
So when you say don't think of a purple elephant, your brain is like purple elephant. Okay, don't think of that. It's a two step process and the brain's lazy.
And so to make it easier for it, you tell it what to do. Just like children, don't focus on telling them what not to do. Tell them what to do.
This is essentially true. And work like with your employees, tell them what to do, not what not to do. Right.
So when people are in to answer your question, negative spirals of thinking you need to do like a pattern interrupt. Essentially. One of the ones that really helped me when I was going through a tough time a couple years ago was this one's very simple. You ask yourself three questions and you can do it with yourself, you can journal about it, whatever's easy. When you're beating yourself up, you're talking trash to yourself or even about other people. Or the situation you're blaming. Things you ask yourself, is this true? And for my analytical people, is that 100% true? That is a yes or no question.
Is this true?
Usually no.
The second question you ask is this kind.
Am I being kind to myself, the situation or that person? It's a yes or no question.
Probably not.
The third question is, is this helpful?
Is this helping me, the situation or that person? Probably not.
This is known as the three gates. It was. Aristotle once said that never let your words leave your mouth to another person unless they can pass through these three gates.
I never knew to apply it to myself until a couple years. Right, right, right.
[00:27:29] Speaker B: I love that. Thank you for sharing that. And that those are three wonderful questions we can ask ourselves at the end of each day.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: You know, everything I did today, you know, was it true, was it kind and was it beneficial or helpful?
[00:27:48] Speaker A: Beneficial. Either one's. Good one.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love it. And you know, I was thinking about when you mentioned about who said the thoughts, words, actions. I have seen that it was Gandhi. So we can look that up, but yeah, sure. Gandhi had a. Had a. Yeah. That's says.
Yeah. It says be positive. Make sure you're letting your thoughts are positive because your, Your thoughts become your. Your words and words positive. But it's so true. And, and you know what? That's you. In order to think like that, you really have to be in the moment, you know, thinking in the moment. Because if you're thinking about the past, we're worried about the future.
It's very challenging to be able to focus on, on you, on your thoughts and, and it is your words. It is because you're not aware, you know.
[00:28:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
When you're living in the past.
This is an oversimplification.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: But one thing I say living in the past is it's a tendency toward depression. Living in the future is a tendency toward anxiety.
And you know when you have baggage and you get to work on something, when you say, here we go again.
[00:28:52] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: Or like, you know, I. It's. When's this gonna happen? Like when your mind gets transported to the past or future that is like, it's like trauma, big T, little T, or baggage, whatever you want to call. Right, right.
[00:29:07] Speaker B: It's true. And when we do think about the past and we are assuming that the results are going to be the same, we can be in such control of what those results are by not thinking like that.
Like the H I, I, I've taken 12 words out of my vocabulary. So, like, instead of saying I should have done this, that took. Should is gone now. But it's like, if this happens again, how can I do it differently? Because that. That helps you actually be in control of. Of your behavior rather than, oh, man, I should have done it this way. Like. Like, they should have, could have, would have. Those are the three out of the 12 I flushed down the toilet, you know.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Good on you.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yep.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: They're not helpful words in a lot of ways. They're more constructive ways to view things. And, you know, as I said already, language is the house of being. And so how you speak will determine. Well, I guess another way to say it is projection.
Interpretation is projection. Essentially, perception is projection. That's what I was trying to say. Perception is projection. So what you perceive is what you project onto the world.
You know, the simple version is if you believe the world is going to hell. It is.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: It is. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: And if you believe it's getting better. It is. You will see things.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: Exactly. No, it's so true.
And, you know, it's interesting. There's. It.
Take a step further. I've also learned that when you.
Let's say you encounter somebody and there are certain things they do or say that you don't like, odds are it's maybe something you've said or done in your past and you didn't like it about yourself. So there's some kind of projection onto other people. And when that happens, you get to choose if you let them in your life or not. Because if you don't like that either, help help them work on themselves so they don't be that way because hopefully you've changed.
[00:31:08] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: But, you know, it's. There's. It's so. It's just so powerful that, you know, sometimes when we judge others, we're in more often than not judging ourselves.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: I'm of the belief that this is session certainly true in my business.
My clients are going to bring me the challenges that I'm currently working on, and they have been a lot. And even if you're not a coach or a therapist or that type of work that we do, your new friends, maybe not always your old friends, but actually that is true, your old friends. Because you. If you're still with them and they're terrible, you haven't learned the lesson essentially, right?
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: So your romantic relationships, if you're new and you're looking for new romantic relationships or a new job, it's going to bring you the challenges you're facing. Are the ones you're ready to overcome.
[00:31:59] Speaker B: Yep. That's the challenge you're facing. You're ready to overcome. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And I firmly believe now, and I didn't used to believe this, that we, you and I, have created the situation we are in right now.
[00:32:12] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:32:12] Speaker B: Because every step of the way, we had a choice of and a decision to make, and no one forced us to choose what we chose.
[00:32:23] Speaker A: You bought, you paid for the ticket, the ride that you're on.
[00:32:26] Speaker B: Yep. It's true. But a lot of people don't want to believe that, though. Like, man number two wouldn't believe that. If they're the victim, then they didn't. Yeah. I'm not here because of that, you know, but it took me a good five, six years to come to that belief. And it didn't happen overnight. It started slowly working on it. Yeah. Utilizing forgiveness, like forgiving myself for the past because I used to beat myself up, but I'm forgiving myself. I didn't even have the tools at that time, so I made the best decision I could with the tools I had available.
[00:32:59] Speaker A: Right.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: And. And with forgiveness and then gratitude in the present moment for what I'm gonna, You know, if you start. Most of us think negatively what I don't have. If you start thinking about what you do have, you know, and, and, and almost in a step, I was talking to former. When I had a client, I was talking about gratitude and, and, and he couldn't really think of, like a hundred things he's grateful for. It was like right away, family, my health, and my dog, you know. But then if you think about. I asked him, what's your favorite beverage? And he's like, coffee. Okay, so you're thankful for coffee. But how do you. What steps do you need to take to get that cup of coffee? Let's say you're getting that coffee at home. Right.
What steps do you need to take to get that cup of coffee, you know, first thing in the morning? Right. Well, you have to. You have to wake up. Are you grateful you woke up?
[00:33:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:52] Speaker B: Grateful you're able to move and get out of bed and walk down the stairs? You're grateful to have stairs.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: You know, where's. What do you put in your coffee? Half and half. Well, that's in the refrigerator. Grateful for refrigerator. The electricity, the handle on the refrigerator, you know?
[00:34:06] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah.
[00:34:08] Speaker B: The drive to go get the half and half to put it in your fridge. I mean, it's like. Sounds weird, but you think about it right there. You could have even just make it a cup of coffee. You could have about 40 things you're grateful for.
Absolutely.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: It's funny you say that because a month or two I was doing some yoga and pull my back for the first time and I couldn't stand or walk for 48 hours. And I'm all good now, I can jump around. But I was just like, wow, I'm really grateful to be able to stand and walk.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: Sometimes it takes that sharp pain for us to realize it because when we're healthy we're not realizing all the things we take for granted.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: So that's true. And that's, you know, leads to a conversation about motivation and getting out of your comfort zone where like a lot of people, they let life happen to them like we've heard before, and they'll take action when there's a negative, when there's fires that need to be put out.
Right. Versus proactive in a lot of ways because it does. Because you don't have to, you know, you get to. And so for those of us like the level three man, you know, you see the challenges, you go after them versus waiting until they get bigger and then you have to deal with them.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: Right.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: I love that I get to do that.
[00:35:22] Speaker A: Takes discipline.
[00:35:23] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Rather than I have to do this. I love that.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:35:28] Speaker B: Well, audience, you certainly captured the essence of Joey Natal and you're going to want to get in touch with him. Best way to do so is on LinkedIn. You can just look up Joey Natal. You'll find him.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Drop the link in the show notes or something.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in the show notes I'll give you his website and his LinkedIn. But that's a great way to reach out to him.
Okay, I am going to give you two final questions. You up for this? All right.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: Your vision. Visualize you're in your happy place, wherever the heck that is.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:36:00] Speaker B: And you're sitting down with young 7 to 10 year old Joey Natal.
You're going to give him some advice about life. What are you going to tell 7 to 10 year old Joey, your younger self?
[00:36:21] Speaker A: It's okay to trust yourself.
[00:36:23] Speaker B: Love it.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: You, your instincts, your thoughts and your feelings and emotions matter and you don't always have to get approval from others to validate those and give yourself permission to speak up and ask for what you want and what you don't want.
[00:36:47] Speaker B: All right, so we've got that. Thank you for sharing that. Now Joey's a little older and you're going to put a Different hat on. And now you're sitting with young Joey, the young businessman, young entrepreneur, and you want to give him advice about business. What are you going to tell him?
[00:37:13] Speaker A: You don't have to do it the right way or a certain way.
[00:37:19] Speaker B: Okay?
[00:37:19] Speaker A: You just have to follow your joy because the abundance and the growth and the experience is going to come.
So if you're doing something, you're. If you're enjoying it, sure, there'll be challenging times. But as long as you're overall enjoying it versus doing it because you feel like you have to and that's the only way, then just follow that.
Love it.
[00:37:44] Speaker B: Love it. Wow.
Pretty deep.
And let's hope, let's hope that what I always love when I ask that question is the hope that the Joey ten years from now will listen to this Joey's advice. Because unfortunately, we know that young Joey's not going to listen.
Not at all stubborn back then, right?
[00:38:06] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:38:07] Speaker B: Joey, my man, thank you so much for coming into my life, come on the show, and for doing what you're doing. You're an awesome guy and, and we can sit and talk forever about different stuff, but we'll. We'll continue building the relationship, my friend. But I really appreciate you being here.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: That's my pleasure. Everybody out there, please take care of yourselves.
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